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EdRoZeN
15-11-2005, 05:37 PM
Admin note - this thread was taken off from the transexual marriage thread as it dwealt with a new topic on HIV



Phew!!!!He sure looks gorgeous..oops!! sorry i meant she...and hope they have a blissfull honeymoon and hope they find true happiness with each other.

LOL nice sarcasm. Well, for me, I don't think religion is important in this case, like what some of you said "Who are we to point fingers at them?".

What's important is that they are promoting the spread of HIV.

I seriously dont think the Y chromosome of Jeffrey will change even if he went for a sex change. If this is true, there is still the risk of getting AIDS between them.

Think about the things that will affect us people, not about whether this marriage is permitted or not.

kress
15-11-2005, 05:44 PM
LOL nice sarcasm. Well, for me, I don't think religion is important in this case, like what some of you said "Who are we to point fingers at them?".

What's important is that they are promoting the spread of HIV.

I seriously dont think the Y chromosome of Jeffrey will change even if he went for a sex change. If this is true, there is still the risk of getting AIDS between them.

Think about the things that will affect us people, not about whether this marriage is permitted or not.

sorry i don't get your point.. what does hiv and gays/lesbians (sorry i don't have the politically correct term) have in common? even straight couples get hiv...

EdRoZeN
15-11-2005, 05:56 PM
sorry i don't get your point.. what does hiv and gays/lesbians (sorry i don't have the politically correct term) have in common? even straight couples get hiv...

Kress,

HIV=Human Immunodeficiency Virus

The origin of this virus is very much unknown except that it is known that it came from gays which had unnatural sex. (Hope you get the meaning)

In males, we have A pair of XY Chromosomes which is 23th pair of Chromosomes, which is also called sex chromosomes. Now when undergoing sex change, I'm not sure whether the XY chromosomes will evolve into XX, which is the Chromosome of a female. If it doesn't, the couple just might get HIV.

Because on the outside, he/she(:D:D) looks like a female. In genetic terms, he's/she's still a male. :confused: :confused: :confused: Confusing.

Straight couples get is because one of them is infected. And when during sex, this virus is passed from one person to the other. This is how HIV is passed. Get this right for those who don't know--> Even a female can have the virus.

VeeJay
15-11-2005, 05:59 PM
LOL nice sarcasm.

What's important is that they are promoting the spread of HIV.

I seriously dont think the Y chromosome of Jeffrey will change even if he went for a sex change. If this is true, there is still the risk of getting AIDS between them.

Think about the things that will affect us people, not about whether this marriage is permitted or not.

Very wrong misconception ...FYI, even sso called “straight people” do get AIDS…doesn’t matter gay or not, as long as one practice safe sex (condom) or are monogamous, they the risk is almost nil...

EdRoZeN
15-11-2005, 06:01 PM
Very wrong misconception ...FYI, even sso called “straight people” do get AIDS…doesn’t matter gay or not, as long as one practice safe sex (condom) or are monogamous, they the risk is almost nil...

Veejay, i edited my post when you posted. Read again for your information. And condoms are not 100% safe.

Even people that use it, get it too, although the percentage is small.

kress
15-11-2005, 06:05 PM
Kress,

HIV=Human Immunodeficiency Virus

The origin of this virus is very much unknown except that it is known that it came from gays which had unnatural sex. (Hope you get the meaning)

In males, we have A pair of XY Chromosomes which is 23th pair of Chromosomes, which is also called sex chromosomes. Now when undergoing sex change, I'm not sure whether the XY chromosomes will evolve into XX, which is the Chromosome of a female. If it doesn't, the couple just might get HIV.

Because on the outside, he/she(:D:D) looks like a female. In genetic terms, he's/she's still a male. :confused: :confused: :confused: Confusing.

Straight couples get is because one of them is infected. And when during sex, this virus is passed from one person to the other. This is how HIV is passed. Get this right for those who don't know--> Even a female can have the virus.

i don't think hiv came from humans sounds but it sounds like what the church would say to discourage homosexuality.... rather hiv came from simians. Whether the virus mutated like the current bird flu or someone had fun with a monkey is moot. The fact is the virus came from simians.

http://www.avert.org/origins.htm

EdRoZeN
15-11-2005, 06:14 PM
i don't think hiv came from humans sounds rather like what the church would say to discourage homosexuality.... rather hiv came from ape, simians. Whether the virus mutated like the current bird flu or someone had fun with a monkey is moot. the fact is the virus came from simians.

http://www.avert.org/origins.htm

Kress, We humans evolved from the same ancestors as apes today. Believe it or not. If you watched National Geographic, when they wanted to trace back to "Adam", they found out that "Adam" is considered the first human because he is much more cleverer and can speak and communicate verbally. They also found out Adam exists only 60,000 years ago. Which is rather short.

Like us, Adam, whom is considered to be father of all the human males in the world, evolved from an ape ancestor. (I forgot the scientific name. Darn :D)

According to that website, scientifically, we can "generate" that virus too, and of course, acquiring it. And also according to that website, the types of HIV humans acquired is significantly different from theirs. So it shows we are capable of "generating" that virus.

kress
15-11-2005, 06:18 PM
Kress, We humans evolved from the same ancestors as apes today. Believe it or not. If you watched National Geographic, when they wanted to trace back to "Adam", they found out that "Adam" is considered the first human because he is much more cleverer and can speak and communicate verbally. They also found out Adam exists only 60,000 years ago. Which is rather short.

Like us, Adam, whom is considered to be father of all the males in the world, evolved from an ape ancestor. (I forgot the scientific name. Darn :D)

According to that website, scientifically, we have "generate" that virus too, and of course, acquiring it. And also according to that website, the types of HIV humans acquired is significantly different from theirs. So it shows we are capable of "generating" that virus.

this isn't the right thread for debating but i'll answer it and be done with it...
when a virus "jumps" from a species to another, the genetic makeup of that virus changes.. so you'll never get an exact dna strain.

VeeJay
15-11-2005, 07:21 PM
Veejay, i edited my post when you posted. Read again for your information. And condoms are not 100% safe.

Even people that use it, get it too, although the percentage is small.

Thats the reason I said almost nil :)

kwchang
16-11-2005, 01:52 AM
I can't help seeing how misinformed EdRoZeN is with regards HIV and the sex chromosomes.

Firstly, HIV has NOTHING to do with same-sex relationships with regards genetics. The Aids virus is transmitted partly due to multi-partner promiscuity which happens to be rampant amongst gays.

In line with this topic on the couple, so long as they remain faithful to each other (hence not promiscuous), they have very low risk on this matter. Do note that one can also get HIV from infected needles (=drug addicts) or from tainted blood (=blood transfusions) or even from exposure to tainted blood (=health care workers who are accidentally exposed to fresh HIV-infected blood).

EdRoZeN
16-11-2005, 02:39 AM
I can't help seeing how misinformed EdRoZeN is with regards HIV and the sex chromosomes.

Firstly, HIV has NOTHING to do with same-sex relationships with regards genetics. The Aids virus is transmitted partly due to multi-partner promiscuity which happens to be rampant amongst gays.

In line with this topic on the couple, so long as they remain faithful to each other (hence not promiscuous), they have very low risk on this matter. Do note that one can also get HIV from infected needles (=drug addicts) or from tainted blood (=blood transfusions) or even from exposure to tainted blood (=health care workers who are accidentally exposed to fresh HIV-infected blood).

Kwchang. Notice that my previous posts were of uncertainty too. I used words such as "if", and i am suggesting the XY maybe a factor to causing HIV. Like what you said, its more rampant amongst gays.

orchipalar
16-11-2005, 02:46 AM
Err...since the topic of HIV n AIDS was briefly mentioned...perhaps the following infos...could provide some clues as to how...err...HIV-1 could have been originated from...:)

http://main.uab.edu/show.asp?durki=8535

Origin of HIV-1 Discovered

Posted on January 31, 1999 at 1:52 p.m.

BIRMINGHAM, AL — Scientists at the University of Alabama at Birmingham (UAB) have discovered the origin of Human Immunodeficiency Virus Type 1 (HIV-1), the virus that causes AIDS in humans. This finding by an international team of scientists led by Dr. Beatrice H. Hahn of UAB, solves a 20-year-old puzzle regarding the beginnings of the AIDS epidemic which now afflicts some 30 million people worldwide. Hahn presented her study today at the 6th Conference on Retroviruses and Opportunistic Infections in Chicago. A paper detailing the discovery appears in the February 4 issue of the journal Nature.

Hahn, a professor of medicine and microbiology at UAB, is senior author of the paper. Dr. Feng Gao, research assistant professor of medicine at UAB, is the paper's lead author.

The researchers identified a subspecies of chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes troglodytes) native to West-Central Africa as the natural reservoir for HIV-1. "We have long suspected a virus from African primates to be the cause of human AIDS, but exactly which animal species was responsible was unknown," says Gao. Viruses related to HIV-1 had previously been found in chimpanzees and were given the designation SIVcpz (for Simian Immunodeficiency Virus). However, only three such infected animals were identified, and one of these harbored a virus so different from HIV-1 that most scientists questioned a direct relationship to the human virus.

More... (http://main.uab.edu/show.asp?durki=8535)

EricK
16-11-2005, 11:35 AM
Kwchang. Notice that my previous posts were of uncertainty too. I used words such as "if", and i am suggesting the XY maybe a factor to causing HIV. Like what you said, its more rampant amongst gays.

it is more rampant because of risky behaviour.. not because they are indulging in 'deviant' behaviour.

kwchang
16-11-2005, 02:52 PM
Kwchang. Notice that my previous posts were of uncertainty too. I used words such as "if", and i am suggesting the XY maybe a factor to causing HIV. Like what you said, its more rampant amongst gays.

Thank you for confirming that you were suggesting that HIV was linked to the sex (XY) chromosomes. Hence my contention that you were "misinformed with regards HIV and the sex chromosomes". With so much prejudice and fear about AIDS, I feel that it is not right to cause any misconceptions with regards HIV infections and hence my stand to make a correction before it gets out of hand.

Genetics was one of the subjects in my undergrad years and I can tell you that the sex chromosomes do not have a role to play in HIV infections. This is totally unlike haemophilia for example which is sex-linked and affects all males as was recorded for the royal family in Russia during the times of Rasputin.

Erick has rightly said that it is due to "risky" behaviour. Hence the role of promiscuity with unsafe sex. I was also making a point that anyone can get AIDS due to the other causes I outlined earlier. Hence, DO NOT suggest someone of being gay if they have AIDS because a completely "straight" person, and even babies, can be infected with HIV. This is very crucial with rehabilitation and care for the unfortunate patients.

Hence, Edrozen, do have restraint in labelling anything as black or white. If in doubt, please check the web for more knowledge because someone reading your post could make the wrong conclusions.

orchipalar
16-11-2005, 03:31 PM
Err...here is Orchi's limited understanding of the deadly HIV virus...

1. It can be easily transmitted or contracted during the 'unprotected' sexual activities between partners...
2. It can be easily transmitted or contracted during blood transfusions...
3. It can be easily transmitted or contracted during any breast feedings...bodily fluids(saliva or semen etc)or blood contacts between humans...such as thru the contacts of any bodily 'opened' cuts n wounds(hands or mouth etc)...
4. It can be easily transmitted or contracted during any sharing of syringes(drug abuse or injections etc)...or needles(tattoos or piercings)...or razor blades(shaving)... :)

http://www.redcross.org/services/hss/tips/spread.html

EdRoZeN
16-11-2005, 07:32 PM
Thank you for confirming that you were suggesting that HIV was linked to the sex (XY) chromosomes. Hence my contention that you were "misinformed with regards HIV and the sex chromosomes". With so much prejudice and fear about AIDS, I feel that it is not right to cause any misconceptions with regards HIV infections and hence my stand to make a correction before it gets out of hand.

Genetics was one of the subjects in my undergrad years and I can tell you that the sex chromosomes do not have a role to play in HIV infections. This is totally unlike haemophilia for example which is sex-linked and affects all males as was recorded for the royal family in Russia during the times of Rasputin.

Erick has rightly said that it is due to "risky" behaviour. Hence the role of promiscuity with unsafe sex. I was also making a point that anyone can get AIDS due to the other causes I outlined earlier. Hence, DO NOT suggest someone of being gay if they have AIDS because a completely "straight" person, and even babies, can be infected with HIV. This is very crucial with rehabilitation and care for the unfortunate patients.

Hence, Edrozen, do have restraint in labelling anything as black or white. If in doubt, please check the web for more knowledge because someone reading your post could make the wrong conclusions.

Yes, my bad, Kwchang. Hmm :) But what do you mean labelling black or white. I don't get it :D

Mind explaining?

By the way guys, the following websites are for general knowledge.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4432564.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4692905.stm