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orchipalar
14-11-2005, 09:25 PM
Consider voluntary separation scheme to lower costs, MAS told
Anis Ibrahim

KUALA LUMPUR, Mon.
MALAYSIA Airlines should consider a voluntary separation scheme (VSS) to lower its management costs, said Finance Ministry parliamentary secretary Datuk Seri Dr Hilmi Yahya.

The move would help reduce its million-ringgit losses, last recorded at RM280.7 million (after tax) for the first quarter of this year.

Hilmi attributed the losses to soaring fuel prices and high management costs.

"It is clear that MAS has many more employees compared to budget airlines. MAS has separate ground and flight staff, while stewardesses with budget airlines also take your ticket at the departure lounges.

"Since there is nothing the company can do about fuel prices, they should take steps to reduce management costs. MAS should consider VSS as an option after meeting with its employees' union," he told reporters at the Parliament lobby today.

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Monday/NewsBreak/20051114180326/Article/indexb_html

Err...at the very best the Parliamentary Secretary...is doing...is seen as him comparing the once 'pride' of the national airline with a budget air company...:rolleyes:

Ahem...what further would the significant numbers of our nation's leaders...think or next...to put its rakyat n its future generation...thru further n more shame...:rolleyes:

USJ27Resident
14-11-2005, 09:33 PM
[COLOR=Blue]"It is clear that MAS has many more employees compared to budget airlines. MAS has separate ground and flight staff, [B]while stewardesses with budget airlines also take your ticket at the departure lounges.


For crying out loud... the stewardess on the budget airlines don't have to prepare your cabin, meals, drinks, ice bin, blankets, coffee, tea, duty free, toilet rolls, welcome drinks, towels, etc etc etc... :mad:

Then again - a good suggestion though... next time the Minister boards an MAS plane - he should consider SELF SERVICE... or ta-pau his own Nasi Kandar! ( oh... not to forget, his own cutleries... or else makan with fingers - in first class.... )

Maybe we should suggest we offer VSS to these idiotic politicians too. :mad:

GreenBug
14-11-2005, 09:41 PM
One suggestion is to close down its loss-making Business Jet Charters. I understand its losing loads. MAS should concentrate itself in its core business and forget about the others. Focus on what it can do well and discard the rest of the non-core businesses that it cannot compete well.

Do a complete study (and review) of its staffing. The deputy minister should not have even opened his big mouth before doing this but then it is only to be expected.

Give up the loss-making domestic routes to Air Asia and focus only on the lucrative ones and on the international routes. Win-win with Tony Fernadez is better than losing forever....

And last but not least, why the new stewardesses do not set the heart beating anymore? In the 80s, used to look forward to meeting them in Subang Jaya, but now ..... :o

orchipalar
14-11-2005, 09:44 PM
Err....more often than not...they had questioned n debated fiercely in the very Parliament house...about what the stewardess should or shouldn't wear...instead :rolleyes:

Ahem...the significant numbers of OUR leaders...hide...ignore...or failed to see n acknowledge the fact that there has been the more serious n BIGGER cancer cells...growing within it's political motives...on the freaking 'privatization' programme...which has been seen to be in total contrary to their earlier promises made...that the so called 'privatization' would be 'beneficial' to ALL the rakyat jelata...

Err...n so it seems...so it seems... :rolleyes:

GreenBug
14-11-2005, 09:51 PM
Err....more often than not...they had questioned n debated fiercely in the very Parliament house...about what the stewardess should wear... :rolleyes: What can we expect from a bunch of politicians who get into the august Parliament because they belong to a certain political party instead on their own merits? :mad:

They spend more time drinking coffee at the Parliament lobby than in the assembly hall debating important matters. Just get online to the website and watch the quorum and you will see.... :mad:

Coming back to MAS, things will get hotter the next couple of days now that the MAS 'loss-making' problem has been politicised. Just see how all the politicians will offer the "ala Peter Drucker" advices now that the issue has come out into the open, just for a few inches of space of cheap publicity on the tabloid pages and perhaps a few more votes in the next Branch / Division level elections.... while thousands of MAS employees are now worried stiff about their rice bowls.... :mad:

p.s. and I wonder why that CEO-designate Jala guy took so long to take his seat if the MAS problem is that important and urgent.... I mean, if he has set up his current company so blardy well, I am sure he can just leave it presto and it will tick along fine on its own, isn't it? Or maybe....

USJ27Resident
15-11-2005, 12:04 AM
Give up the loss-making domestic routes to Air Asia and focus only on the lucrative ones and on the international routes. Win-win with Tony Fernadez is better than losing forever....

And last but not least, why the new stewardesses do not set the heart beating anymore? In the 80s, used to look forward to meeting them in Subang Jaya, but now ..... :o

Wouldn't it be a BIG slap in the face if TF airlines manages to make money on these so called loss making sectors... :rolleyes:

As for the stewardesses... the "new" good looking wannabe FSSs have opted to join better salary paying airlines in the region ie. SIA, RBA or Cathay. Better perks, better management...

Everytime bad news comes out regarding the national airlines, the only poor buggers that have sleepless nights about job security would be the frontline staff and graded staff... not the management. These senior managers and directors would always be able to get a new job or appointment elsewhere should things get worst off...

And the pilots... well, they normally leave after they've collected their indecently 6-figure backdates... :rolleyes:

Ski
15-11-2005, 08:39 AM
Mas is not the only one carrying excess baggage..TNb, Telekom, Proton, Petronas, Local councils, Bandaraya most of the Ministries in Putra Jaya just to name a few.

chookyan
15-11-2005, 09:24 AM
Why should taxpayers waste money again offering VSS to these idiotic politicians??? After all if they are asked to leave they will get a golden handshake plus a big time farewell party. Pity the hardworking guys and gals of MAS who is not even sure if they still have a job this same time next month. Back to MAS as quoted in the newspapers, one way to make money is to raise fares. In this BOLEH LAND of ours, GLCs do not bother to find out why the company is losing money but used ways like raising fares to make profit. Don't the TOP MANAGEMENT realised that by raising fares, MAS will be worse off as you are no longer competitive with SIA or Thai and the bulk of passengers will go to SIA, Thai. In my line of work, I travel quite a lot on long haul and tried to use MAS as often as possible but you always get response that the flight is full and you are on waiting list but when you get on the flight, the plane is only 60% capacity - where is the logic??? Another is the so called frequent flyers programme 'ENRICH', the opportunity to use the reward points is so limited in terms of airlines,perhaps MAS should take cue from "Star Alliance" programme which speaks very well in terms of membership from airlines and have so much to offer, so much so that you see the 'Star Alliance" logo proudly printed on members aircrafts as well as the boarding pass. I was recently on flight back from Colombo which departed at 0215 only a light meal shortly after take off and not even a cup of coffee prior to arrival at KLIA. Taking the cue from pakcik of Astro "MACAM MACAM ADA" in this boleh land.

morningmist
15-11-2005, 12:17 PM
I wonder why MAS is singled out, hey...what about Telekom, TNB, etc. etc. Cost cutting measures are painful and if it needs to be done, it has to be done. No two ways about it. The problem here I see is not raising ticket prices by such a huge amount but more so, analysing their cost structure, i.e how to drastically cut their costs, be it manpower, fuel, etc...why can't they get comparable yields with SIA, Cathay, Thai, etc.? For a GLC to function like a PLC, it's about time they make profits a priority and public service should be "secondary". Nonetheless, I know it's difficult to draw the line, esp. in monopolies. Personally, I feel that the VSS and other cost cutting measures in Telekom, etc. are not painful enough...doesn't the saying go..."no pain, no gain"...It's about time the GLCs rise up and kick-butt! If Singapore can do it so efficiently, e.g Temasek Holdings, GIC, etc. why can't we? Doesn't take a fool to figure out why!

USJ27Resident
15-11-2005, 12:26 PM
......Doesn't take a fool to figure out why!

Great minds think alike....

Fools seldom differ....

So much for management that think alike, and that they have all the answers to what went wrong and how to right them.... :rolleyes:

Sack the lot and hold them responsible for the mistakes... why give them an option for VSS/golden handshakes when they are the very cause of mismanagement!

Ski
15-11-2005, 12:29 PM
If Mas does not buck up who the hell cares, I have UAE to fly me across the globe cheaply. ;)

morningmist
15-11-2005, 12:39 PM
Agree with you Ski. I fly to the US almost every month...and got tired with the **** that I faced booking flights with MAS. Guess which airline I took. MAS should face the same fate like Proton, that got slapped in the face wondering what went wrong...when Vios, City, etc. hit the market!

morningmist
15-11-2005, 12:42 PM
Oh, by the way, there was this joke going around: MAS= "Mana Ada System??" ....how true, how true....boycott MAS, and see what happens, esp. on long profitable biz/1st class routes, e.g KL-LAX/NW

orchipalar
15-11-2005, 12:47 PM
I wonder why MAS is singled out, hey...what about Telekom, TNB, etc. etc. Cost cutting measures are painful and if it needs to be done, it has to be done. No two ways about it. The problem here I see is not raising ticket prices by such a huge amount but more so, analysing their cost structure, i.e how to drastically cut their costs, be it manpower, fuel, etc...why can't they get comparable yields with SIA, Cathay, Thai, etc.? For a GLC to function like a PLC, it's about time they make profits a priority and public service should be "secondary". Nonetheless, I know it's difficult to draw the line, esp. in monopolies. Personally, I feel that the VSS and other cost cutting measures in Telekom, etc. are not painful enough...doesn't the saying go..."no pain, no gain"...It's about time the GLCs rise up and kick-butt! If Singapore can do it so efficiently, e.g Temasek Holdings, GIC, etc. why can't we? Doesn't take a fool to figure out why!
Err...we got the GLC announcing recently that it makes over 1/2 Billion in NET profit in certain corresponding period this year alone...n YET the freaking ministry is still saying that TNB...can NO LONGER sustain the costs of rising fuel such as LPGAS(which is home growned) n the freaking coal(Usd50 per ton up from Usd30 or so...contracted previously)

SO they suggested that...the tariff in the case of TNB must GO UP as not to overburden the GLC...ahem...as for the millions of consumers?...n air travellers in this case for MAS...scr*w US ALL...what seems to be the freaking problem...??? :rolleyes:

GreenBug
15-11-2005, 12:51 PM
Wouldn't it be a BIG slap in the face if TF airlines manages to make money on these so called loss making sectors... MAS used to make big noise about the domestic routes being money-losing blah... blah... blah... until Air Asia comes along. Looks like now they have run out of excuses.

My last flight with MAS was on a 6.55am flight from Penang a few weeks back. The check-in girl couldn't book my flight through to Brunei because "we don't know the departure gate at KLIA yet, Sir". So, I queried her why this could not be done as my onward flight to Brunei was also on MAS and was taking off in 2 hours' time.... "Sir, if you not happy, you can fly Royal Brunei Airlines!". I told the Senior Manager on duty that early morning, it didn't help either, only ended up not able to fully enjoy my croissant panas-panas and kopi-o at Nando's Cafe in Penang airport. BUT from that day onwards, I knew that sooner or later the airlines will go to the dogs..... :mad:

The sad thing about this whole impending episode is, when a VSS occurs, the lower-ranked employees usually get the short end of the stick. They get pittance! They become jobless. And to think that its their bosses who made all the screw-ups.

Alexius, you're right, fire the whole lot of monkeys upstairs and bring in a new team, younger, smarter and hungry for success.....

morningmist
15-11-2005, 12:52 PM
It's always the case in M'sia esp. in the GLCs that they've got the wrong people in the wrong places. I'm sure we're all too familiar with the way business is done in M'sia, i.e."Who you know, rather than what you know."

lvintan1
15-11-2005, 12:59 PM
For crying out loud... the stewardess on the budget airlines don't have to prepare your cabin, meals, drinks, ice bin, blankets, coffee, tea, duty free, toilet rolls, welcome drinks, towels, etc etc etc... :mad:

Then again - a good suggestion though... next time the Minister boards an MAS plane - he should consider SELF SERVICE... or ta-pau his own Nasi Kandar! ( oh... not to forget, his own cutleries... or else makan with fingers - in first class.... )

Maybe we should suggest we offer VSS to these idiotic politicians too. :mad:
Maybe the Politician should travel on AirAsia. Come on MAS is a Public Listed company, let the management decide.

GreenBug
15-11-2005, 01:05 PM
Maybe the Politician should travel on AirAsia. Come on MAS is a Public Listed company, let the management decide.Then, why do they use taxpayers' money to buy back the MAS shares from TRI at the same price he bought them years ago and after stripping the airlines of its valuable assets. Every tax-paying Malaysian has the right to know what went wrong and, more importantly, what could be done to reinvent this national carrier at minimum cost and minimum loss of rice-bowls. And to hang those incompetent managers upstairs who screwed-up big-time..... :mad:

p.s. Suddenly, there was PEPSI on board with no COKE, the indisputable No. 1 favorite drink! Cost-cutting or...... :eek:

USJ27Resident
15-11-2005, 03:09 PM
VSS??... the scheme would probably be more cost effecient to be offered to the new staff AFTER the LAST IN - FIRST OUT retrenchment scheme is forced into place. The employees union is useless in this matter as some of the office bearers would probably be powerless to stop it if and when the company starts the implementation, due to coflict of (personal/vested) interest within the company and Government bylaws pertaining to services involving national interest.

The last time MAS staff went on strike in the 70s - all the union leaders were charged/threaten with ISA. Now a bunch of puss*** run the union... in that too because of the revenue that can be gained from the union subcription!

If only.... sheeeesh! :mad:

Looks like theres gonna be a lot of balls polishing and ampu-ing in the near future in MAS management to keep their jobs... :rolleyes:


ps. GBug- you're right - pepsi sucks big time... too sweet/no kick! :p

wAISEKMAo
15-11-2005, 03:18 PM
MAS used to make big noise about the domestic routes being money-losing blah... blah... blah... until Air Asia comes along. Looks like now they have run out of excuses.

My last flight with MAS was on a 6.55am flight from Penang a few weeks back. The check-in girl couldn't book my flight through to Brunei because "we don't know the departure gate at KLIA yet, Sir". So, I queried her why this could not be done as my onward flight to Brunei was also on MAS and was taking off in 2 hours' time.... "Sir, if you not happy, you can fly Royal Brunei Airlines!". I told the Senior Manager on duty that early morning, it didn't help either, only ended up not able to fully enjoy my croissant panas-panas and kopi-o at Nando's Cafe in Penang airport. BUT from that day onwards, I knew that sooner or later the airlines will go to the dogs..... :mad:

The sad thing about this whole impending episode is, when a VSS occurs, the lower-ranked employees usually get the short end of the stick. They get pittance! They become jobless. And to think that its their bosses who made all the screw-ups.

Alexius, you're right, fire the whole lot of monkeys upstairs and bring in a new team, younger, smarter and hungry for success.....

Greenbug,

give MAS management the name of the girl and the senior manager. Make sure they are on the first list of people who's going to get fired.

wAISEKMAo
15-11-2005, 03:20 PM
It's always the case in M'sia esp. in the GLCs that they've got the wrong people in the wrong places. I'm sure we're all too familiar with the way business is done in M'sia, i.e."Who you know, rather than what you know."

Errr...what happen is the GLCs have had to choose malay for a bumi company. Even for choosing a chinese also they kiasu (n kiasi) so they will prefer caucasian over malaysian (non malay) instead.

orchipalar
16-11-2005, 11:29 AM
Union: Don’t punish staff

BY ZUHRIN AZAM AHMAD

PETALING JAYA: The losses incurred by Malaysia Airlines has nothing to do with the size of its workforce, the 9,000-strong airlines employees' union said.

It was the result of bad planning and decisions by the management, Malaysian Airlines System Employees' Union, Peninsular Malaysia (Maseu) president Alias Aziz said.

Among the plans or projects that the union felt the national carrier had spent its money on unnecessarily were a sponsorship programme, the renovation of aircraft cabins and the order for six Airbus A380 planes.

Each A380 costs RM1.2bil while the on-going cabin renovation works cost RM700mil, Alias said.

He said MAS also spent a huge amount on the sponsorship programme, which included sponsoring a local singer and an entourage of musicians and dancers to perform at the Royal Albert Hall in London.

“These are examples of bad decisions and planning by the management that ate a huge chunk of MAS' money; and when the company reported losses, the blame went to the workers.

”Why punish the workers (through a Voluntary Separation Scheme) when it was the management's bad planning?'' he asked at a press conference yesterday.

Alias said the scheme would not in any way move MAS out of the red.

More in Here... (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2005/11/16/nation/12604868&sec=nation)

wAISEKMAo
16-11-2005, 01:20 PM
Union: Don’t punish staff

BY ZUHRIN AZAM AHMAD

PETALING JAYA: The losses incurred by Malaysia Airlines has nothing to do with the size of its workforce, the 9,000-strong airlines employees' union said.

It was the result of bad planning and decisions by the management, Malaysian Airlines System Employees' Union, Peninsular Malaysia (Maseu) president Alias Aziz said.

Among the plans or projects that the union felt the national carrier had spent its money on unnecessarily were a sponsorship programme, the renovation of aircraft cabins and the order for six Airbus A380 planes.

Each A380 costs RM1.2bil while the on-going cabin renovation works cost RM700mil, Alias said.

He said MAS also spent a huge amount on the sponsorship programme, which included sponsoring a local singer and an entourage of musicians and dancers to perform at the Royal Albert Hall in London.

“These are examples of bad decisions and planning by the management that ate a huge chunk of MAS' money; and when the company reported losses, the blame went to the workers.

”Why punish the workers (through a Voluntary Separation Scheme) when it was the management's bad planning?'' he asked at a press conference yesterday.

Alias said the scheme would not in any way move MAS out of the red.

More in Here... (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2005/11/16/nation/12604868&sec=nation)

After spending [(1.2+.7) * 6] = 11.4 billion for the new A380, MAS do not know whether they got the market or not...but have to pay both for the A380 planes and company losses...and then opt for VSS and then charges the US route KL-LA for 16k and KL-Newark for 27k?

WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? IT DOES NOT SOUND ECONOMICAL AND LOGICAL AT ALL.

USJ27Resident
16-11-2005, 02:03 PM
as always... MAS being penny wise, pound foolish! and the same "shut-up you - the management knows best..." attitudes :rolleyes: Now that Hilmi has suggested the VSS scheme... the management would simply say that the brilliant idea came from the government and they are only follwing orders... :(

jericho
16-11-2005, 04:50 PM
PMB is the buyer of the A380s and MAS will be leasing it from them. MAS do not have the cash to buy any aircraft at the moment.



After spending [(1.2+.7) * 6] = 11.4 billion for the new A380, MAS do not know whether they got the market or not...but have to pay both for the A380 planes and company losses...and then opt for VSS and then charges the US route KL-LA for 16k and KL-Newark for 27k?

WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? IT DOES NOT SOUND ECONOMICAL AND LOGICAL AT ALL.

GreenBug
16-11-2005, 09:14 PM
..... and I recall some time back when they took so much pain to make sure the B777s were delivered first to them instead of SIA down south. Talking about the S'poreans being kiasu..... perhaps we should look at ourself first! :o

wAISEKMAo
16-11-2005, 10:46 PM
PMB is the buyer of the A380s and MAS will be leasing it from them. MAS do not have the cash to buy any aircraft at the moment.

but still...who's paying? the goverment...essentially it's the tax payer lar.

orchipalar
17-11-2005, 11:52 AM
Err...the transport minister...has this to say...when asked about the possibility of MAS implementing the VSS to its workforce...in order to cut its huge losses...

http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/content.asp?y=2005&dt=1117&pub=Utusan_Malaysia&sec=Dalam_Negeri&pg=dn_01.htm

Chan nafi laporan MAS tawar VSS

PUTRAJAYA 16 Nov. - Menteri Pengangkutan, Datuk Seri Chan Kong Choy hari ini menafikan laporan berita bahawa Malaysia Airlines System Berhad (MAS) akan menawarkan Skim Pemberhentian Sukarela (VSS) bagi mengurangkan bilangan tenaga kerjanya dalam usaha menangani kerugian.

``Saya tidak tahu langsung perkara ini. Saya tidak tahu dari mana kamu dapat berita ini kerana sepanjang pengetahuan saya, tiada VSS,'' katanya semasa ditanya mengenai laporan itu pada majlis rumah terbuka Deepavali dan Hari Raya kementerian itu di sini.

Pada Isnin lepas, Setiausaha Parlimen Kementerian Kewangan, Datuk Hilmi Yahya mencadangkan MAS mengurangkan jumlah kakitangannya dan juga menimbang untuk menawarkan VSS. - Bernama

RolyPoly
17-11-2005, 02:01 PM
Mas is not the only one carrying excess baggage..TNb, Telekom, Proton, Petronas, Local councils, Bandaraya most of the Ministries in Putra Jaya just to name a few.


I think MPSJ has a lot of excess baggage!! Check them out....the staffs have many coffee breaks, loitering in colleagues room - chit-chatting and most of the time do not know work procedures when asked!!!! Wonder why are they in MPSJ in the first place!! :o

GreenBug
17-11-2005, 02:08 PM
Greenbug,

give MAS management the name of the girl and the senior manager. Make sure they are on the first list of people who's going to get fired."IF YOU DON'T LIKE MAS, THEN FLY ROYAL BRUNEI AIRLINES LAH" Girl at Counter No. 4, Bayan Lepas International Airport, Penang @ 5.50am on 25th November 2005

"WELL, I CANNOT HELP YOU, SIR. SHE HAS THE RIGHT TO SAY WHAT SHE WANT TO SAY. YES, I'M THE SENIOR MANAGER HERE..." - Senior Manager on duty at the airport at 5.55am when I reported to him what the girl said.

Good Luck MAS! :D

orchipalar
17-11-2005, 02:11 PM
I think MPSJ has a lot of excess baggage!! Check them out....the staffs have many coffee breaks, loitering in colleagues room - chit-chatting and most of the time do not know work procedures when asked!!!! Wonder why are they in MPSJ in the first place!! :o
Err...they are there to make up the numbers...quota mah:p

sirgalahad2010
17-11-2005, 03:56 PM
GreenBug

Email the Transport Minister with copy to Munir Majid. That will see some action taken.

Incidentally, I saw Chan K.C and family having a quiet dinner at The Ming Room, Bangsar Shopping Centre, last week, with nary a bodyguard in sight. That's one of the better Chinese restaurants, I believe?

Wrt MAS, I believe that the issues have been raised time and again. The gahmen doesn't have the political will to do what needs to be done in MAS - simple as that. Not with the ever-vigilant ultras from u-know-where spouting nationalistic nonsense at any sound suggestion or idea. Somebody should call their bluff once and for all!

GreenBug
17-11-2005, 05:26 PM
GreenBug

Email the Transport Minister with copy to Munir Majid. That will see some action taken.Change what could be changed and leave alone what could not be changed. The key is to be able to recognise the difference. :p

p.s. I have supported MAS for 2 decades and I will continue to do so. If they flip over, its not my blardy fault. The ground staff are so pathetic like we all Malaysians owe them a living. Incidentally, I met a group of very young stewards and stewardesses on a recent B737 flight from Brunei to KLIA and they all seems so cheerful, so enthusiastic and committed. There's still some hope but down on the ground, those service staff stinks....

aimless
17-11-2005, 07:02 PM
MAS seems to be getting some decent looking crew again, after a few years of drought...
i guess as far as the ground staff are concerned, the main problem is that there is nothing to make them believe in the company, and to let them know that they make a difference. A lot of them see this as "merely a job" and the passengers who ask then "why this and why that" are merely giving them problems. It would seem that they don't see themselves as front line staff. GB, you are lucky they didn't employ their other famous tactic - push it to the cabin crew! A lot of times, they just want to tell you whatever is necessary to get you out of their face, and it ends up that the cabin crew has to deal with all the irate passengers on board! I'm sure USJ27Resident would agree with that....

isarahim
17-11-2005, 08:38 PM
So the Siti Nurhaliza Royal Albert Hall scandal was funded out of the already empty MAS coffers?!!!

That's news to me but not exactly surprising.

GreenBug
17-11-2005, 09:33 PM
So the Siti Nurhaliza Royal Albert Hall scandal was funded out of the already empty MAS coffers?!!!

That's news to me but not exactly surprising.Also read rumours that half the concert hall was filled with 'guests' of the airline instead of paying audience. :rolleyes:

layman
17-11-2005, 10:28 PM
the new CEO will assume his post this dec.

it really baffles me why the current inept executives are exploring and instituting major changes in a very sick organisation.they hv been oblivious of the need then,suddenly realised the deficiency and do the spring cleaning for the incoming CEO???

any ulterior motives???

orchipalar
17-11-2005, 10:38 PM
Err...the then Finance Minister has chosen to pay off the certain CEO of MAS...with the price per 'his' freaking share...of MYR8.60 or something like that...while Orchi's punya substantial stakes in MAS alone...was floated in the thin trading air...for MYR3.00 per share...at the time :rolleyes:

Ahem...the ways official 'bizness' is done in our bolehland...NO FREAKING WONDER...MOST Foreign investors...have packed up n be GONE...!!! :mad:

Teeque
18-11-2005, 03:06 AM
the new CEO will assume his post this dec.

it really baffles me why the current inept executives are exploring and instituting major changes in a very sick organisation.they hv been oblivious of the need then,suddenly realised the deficiency and do the spring cleaning for the incoming CEO???

any ulterior motives???

This is an organization which has rotten to its core, suffering age old 'heart failures, brain and blood haemorhaging etc'. In short, close to dying. Will a 'transplant' of a new 'organ' (new CEO) bring this ailling giant of an organization to the pink of financial health? Or will multiple transplants do? Or just retire it and bring in 'new body'?

isarahim
18-11-2005, 07:45 AM
Also read rumours that half the concert hall was filled with 'guests' of the airline instead of paying audience. :rolleyes:

Even though I wasn't there - she's got zero and nothing to offer musically - I know some Londoner Malays who actually went (....even some of my friends have bad taste...) and yeah, I heard the same story from them.

Only one difference. The concert hall was never "filled", it was about 1/3rd full.

It was - needless to say - a major debacle, a major loss, a major disgrace, ridicule and shame for our country - how on earth can we enter one of the most well known concert halls in the world with our pants down like that - yet it was hailed in the local press as a "success".....

And now the truth comes out that the whole affair was actually funded from the coffers of a struggling and painfully mismanaged GLC.....

It's sickening.

GreenBug
18-11-2005, 11:51 AM
Even though I wasn't there - she's got zero and nothing to offer musically - I know some Londoner Malays who actually went (....even some of my friends have bad taste...) and yeah, I heard the same story from them.

Only one difference. The concert hall was never "filled", it was about 1/3rd full.

It was - needless to say - a major debacle, a major loss, a major disgrace, ridicule and shame for our country - how on earth can we enter one of the most well known concert halls in the world with our pants down like that - yet it was hailed in the local press as a "success".....

And now the truth comes out that the whole affair was actually funded from the coffers of a struggling and painfully mismanaged GLC.....

It's sickening.

.... but 29 people from Brunei went there specially for the concert in an Airbus 340... and they call this specially-fitted Airbus a private jet, geez! :eek:

penangkia
18-11-2005, 04:38 PM
the new CEO will assume his post this dec.

it really baffles me why the current inept executives are exploring and instituting major changes in a very sick organisation.they hv been oblivious of the need then,suddenly realised the deficiency and do the spring cleaning for the incoming CEO???

any ulterior motives???


Of course got some motive lah. 2 years down the road, when MAS is ready to break one of it's legs in the longkang again, this fellor, the new CEO can say all this happened in 2005 before his time. Without this backdoor escape standby,......... :rolleyes:

lord
18-11-2005, 08:09 PM
The TNBs and the Telekoms and the Mas' of this country will continue to see red until our goddamn gormen comes to its senses that alienating and discriminating its own ppl on who should run these money-loosing companies only makes matters worst rather than turn around the matter. The idea of only bumiputras should run these companies has to stop if they really mean to change things. Which is more important, making money or exalting ones pride but only to shy away after a couple of years after more fook-ups??!

The same goes for the Pantai debacle. Why must it always be the Malay agenda in everything??

High fuel costs, non-profitable routes, hey bruder, trying spinning something new lah!! Don't tell us you have got no better reasons than some standard 1 excuses lah!

I ask you, Mr. ManaAdaSistem, SIA can record profit given the same scenario you are in today. Why can't you? The same guy who ate roti canai while growing up in Malaysia runs that company, just like you. And being a national carrier just like you, they have managed to handle turbulent times. ANd here you are, with almost all major domestic routes monopolied and yet record losses after losses!!

MAS, the gormen and all politicians who want to have a say in GLC's, aspiring or otherwise, grow up from your cocoon. The world around us fast growing. Money Talks, Bullsh!t Walks is the latest caption everywhere where making profit is the final goal. You are still wielding kris' and lamenting on some agenda which has time and again wasted tonnes and tonnes of hard-earned money. Forget about the multi-races financing for the sole purpose of one race. But for the life of a monkey, see the larger picture that you need help, in whatever form it comes to help these GLCs from loosing more money.

wsp
18-11-2005, 08:31 PM
the ONLY solution to loss making GLC ====> naik harga lah!
so what?!!?!?!?!?
naik la !!!! :D :D :D
what u ppl do?!?!?! pay la.... :mad:

GreenBug
18-11-2005, 08:38 PM
the ONLY solution to loss making GLC ====> naik harga lah!
so what?!!?!?!?!?
naik la !!!! :D :D :D
what u ppl do?!?!?! pay la.... :mad:But can't you at least protest through the ballot box? Why talk so much about democracy if we dare not even pangkah pembangkang? :mad:

wsp
18-11-2005, 08:46 PM
But can't you at least protest through the ballot box? Why talk so much about democracy if we dare not even pangkah pembangkang? :mad:

Poor thing, where is the majority?
me alone no use..

GreenBug
18-11-2005, 08:55 PM
Poor thing, where is the majority?
me alone no use..Why do you need a majority when you cast your vote, my dear WSP? If everyone feels the same, there would naturally be a majority.... Hmmmm... you must be one of those kiasi voters eh? Just kiddin'.... :D

orchipalar
18-11-2005, 09:10 PM
The TNBs and the Telekoms and the Mas' of this country will continue to see red until our goddamn gormen comes to its senses that alienating and discriminating its own ppl on who should run these money-loosing companies only makes matters worst rather than turn around the matter. The idea of only bumiputras should run these companies has to stop if they really mean to change things. Which is more important, making money or exalting ones pride but only to shy away after a couple of years after more fook-ups??!

The same goes for the Pantai debacle. Why must it always be the Malay agenda in everything??

High fuel costs, non-profitable routes, hey bruder, trying spinning something new lah!! Don't tell us you have got no better reasons than some standard 1 excuses lah!

I ask you, Mr. ManaAdaSistem, SIA can record profit given the same scenario you are in today. Why can't you? The same guy who ate roti canai while growing up in Malaysia runs that company, just like you. And being a national carrier just like you, they have managed to handle turbulent times. ANd here you are, with almost all major domestic routes monopolied and yet record losses after losses!!

MAS, the gormen and all politicians who want to have a say in GLC's, aspiring or otherwise, grow up from your cocoon. The world around us fast growing. Money Talks, Bullsh!t Walks is the latest caption everywhere where making profit is the final goal. You are still wielding kris' and lamenting on some agenda which has time and again wasted tonnes and tonnes of hard-earned money. Forget about the multi-races financing for the sole purpose of one race. But for the life of a monkey, see the larger picture that you need help, in whatever form it comes to help these GLCs from loosing more money.
Err...Orchi thinks it's high time...that the gomen change the name of MAS...err...it has been too long...since MAS held on to its present name...from the its predecessor MSA(Malaysia n Singapore Airline)...

Err...how about since SIA came from MSA...err...MAS should change it to MIA...ahem...cos IF nothing positive is done...MIA(missing in action) could be a more suitable way to label it...:rolleyes:

GreenBug
18-11-2005, 09:13 PM
Err...Orchi thinks it's high time...that the gomen change the name of MAS...err...it has been too long...since MAS held on to its present name...from the its predecessor MSA(Malaysia n Singapore Airline)...

Err...how about since SIA came from MSA...err...MAS should change it to MIA...ahem...cos IF nothing positive is done...MIA(missing in action) could be a more suitable way to label it...:rolleyes:A rose, by any other name, still smells as nice....Shakespeare :)

layman
18-11-2005, 09:51 PM
The TNBs and the Telekoms and the Mas' of this country will continue to see red until our goddamn gormen comes to its senses that alienating and discriminating its own ppl on who should run these money-loosing companies only makes matters worst rather than turn around the matter. The idea of only bumiputras should run these companies has to stop if they really mean to change things. Which is more important, making money or exalting ones pride but only to shy away after a couple of years after more fook-ups??!

The same goes for the Pantai debacle. Why must it always be the Malay agenda in everything??

High fuel costs, non-profitable routes, hey bruder, trying spinning something new lah!! Don't tell us you have got no better reasons than some standard 1 excuses lah!

I ask you, Mr. ManaAdaSistem, SIA can record profit given the same scenario you are in today. Why can't you? The same guy who ate roti canai while growing up in Malaysia runs that company, just like you. And being a national carrier just like you, they have managed to handle turbulent times. ANd here you are, with almost all major domestic routes monopolied and yet record losses after losses!!

MAS, the gormen and all politicians who want to have a say in GLC's, aspiring or otherwise, grow up from your cocoon. The world around us fast growing. Money Talks, Bullsh!t Walks is the latest caption everywhere where making profit is the final goal. You are still wielding kris' and lamenting on some agenda which has time and again wasted tonnes and tonnes of hard-earned money. Forget about the multi-races financing for the sole purpose of one race. But for the life of a monkey, see the larger picture that you need help, in whatever form it comes to help these GLCs from loosing more money.

race is not the issue here.the crux of the matter is cronyism and widespread corruption
privileged malays chinese and indians are given lucrative contracts without bidding .who pays for this excesses-u and me

the average malays chinese are marginalised.we contribute to the wealth of the selected few-sounds familiar-suharto and bob hassan liem family etc

well unless check and balances are introduced to our system,the days of reckoning will be nearer than envisage

wira wan
18-11-2005, 11:21 PM
It's always the case in M'sia esp. in the GLCs that they've got the wrong people in the wrong places. I'm sure we're all too familiar with the way business is done in M'sia, i.e."Who you know, rather than what you know."

I wonder the appointed person from SHELL know anything about the airline business, except the fuel price. (The world fuel price have taken a dive, but the price of my tea tarik is in "Hari ini dalam sejarah")

If the gomen can suggest VSS to MAS staff, why don't the same gomen also offer VSS to PROTON staff.

This a classic case of Malaysia Boleh tak boleh.

lord
19-11-2005, 01:23 PM
I had coffee this morning with a senior captain friend from MAS.

According to him, it is immaterial who helms MAS, or any other GLC for that matter, at the end of the day it all boils down to the same thing, gormen and political arm-twisting!! For example, MAS is forced to fly non-profitable sectors because of these reasons. Take Argentina or south american routes. The flight is filled with about 30 - 50 pax, yes, that little and everyone knows that it is a totally hopeless route but yet, thanks to our former PM, MAS is FORCED to fly there.

India use to be a profitable sector to fly, with a long list of passengers on its waiting lists. But today, due to competition from other airlines, MAS does some 70% occupancy on good days. Reason: MAS' prices are just way off the other guys'.

The mentality that you increase price everytime you are in the red is just plain stupid. You don't need a rocket scientist to implement that. If you charge RM27K for a first class seat to Newark, you should be prepared to loose passengers to competition. With that in mind, you might as well scrap your first and biz class and only stick with cattle class!! At least you have more seats to sell for that route.

Taking a 30% pay cut out of senior managers of 10 or max 20 guys is like getting a 2 year old to piss in the ocean! If the max salary of each of them is RM50k, 30% is RM15k. Multiply by, say 20, RM300k/month. So?!! What's the big deal?!! You are bloody loosing RM280mil, joe!!

I believe MAS really needs to look beyond the horizon. The gormen, instead of only harping on eradicating graft and what not, seriously needs to understand its position and role in GLC's if the gormen sincerely wants to see them improve. If the order of the day is going to be to only feed the fat politikus' with extra cash to splash, then, don't bother with strategies and think tanks.

These days, AirAsia is my airline for travelling local and SIA has always been the carrier for my overseas trips. I dare say that I don't have any experience how MAS' service is on long haul flights but I did hear that true to their name Mesti Ada Satay, the local dish never fails to appear on their menu lists.

Based on my earlier post, I retract my statement that someone else than a bumiputra will be able to turn the company around. After my coffee-date with my friend this morning, I can only understand one thing, even if GOD himself was head-hunted and hired to lead our GLC's, he will still face problems with our gormen and politikus. GOD help them!!

GreenBug
20-11-2005, 01:01 PM
I agree fully with what you said, Lord. And if I may also add on, MAS should focus on its core business i.e. fly a commercial airlines and forget about the Business Jet Charters. Was told the planes hardly got anyone chartering them except once a year it flies some Man U players (but this time Air Asia got the official Man U airline astatus). Whoever suggested this business venture (could be your senior MAS pilot captain on a T-max?) didn't know what he was getting the airlines into.... :rolleyes:

Even from the little experience I had dealing with the airline, it was very obvious there were a lot of things not right in there. I knew I had a good product, competitively-priced and would put the airlines in a better position than the product it was using then, but getting the people in there to take a look-see, consider the options was like making appointment to see the US President. Perhaps I would have succeeded in seeing the US President if I tried as hard as I did with MAS buyers... :mad:

Ski
21-11-2005, 06:50 PM
Imo Mas should sack the top Management and employ Malaysians this time and you will see drastic changes..but then only in my dreams I suppose.

GreenBug
21-11-2005, 07:33 PM
Imo Mas should sack the top Management and employ Malaysians this time and you will see drastic changes..but then only in my dreams I suppose.I thought the top management has always been Malaysians? Is there an expatriate in there? :eek:

penangkia
22-11-2005, 12:56 PM
I thought the top management has always been Malaysians? Is there an expatriate in there? :eek:

I think what Ski meant was that the top management in the past were bumis, not Malaysians, right?. Correct me if I am wrong, Ski :D

Sack them all and employ true Malaysians with true credentials and with true real life experiences of running a competitive business and generating acceptable returns for it's stakeholders.

Ski
22-11-2005, 01:01 PM
I think what Ski meant was that the top management in the past were bumis, not Malaysians, right?. Correct me if I am wrong, Ski :D

Sack them all and employ true Malaysians with true credentials and with true real life experiences of running a competitive business and generating acceptable returns for it's stakeholders.

Hi
Exactly, friend you have hit the nail on the head same thing applies for Proton too.

lord
22-11-2005, 01:33 PM
For you guys advocating GLC's to be run by non-bumis, you might want to know that whoever runs these joints, the outcome will still be the same cos' the gormen and some politikus' have got their hands in these joints.

Read in the Star today that Idris, Munir and that Khazanah dude have arranged for a meeting to meet the PM to discuss some measures they have come up with for MAS. Hey, what for want to discuss with the PM when these 3 blokes are given the task to revive (if you can call it that) MAS??!! Instead of taking a 30% pay cut, just sack these blokes and increase PM's salary by 20% to also take care of MAS lah!!

The situation MAS is in is a classic Malaysian mentality backfire case.

Semua mau besar. Tiang mau besar, err... I mean tiang bendera...
Airport mau besar..... ketupat mau besar...... roti john mau besar.....
Itu building mau besar...... itu bendera mau besar.....
itu kapal terbang mau besar....
semua mau besar....... last last.... itu hutang pun mau besar.....

Read the article on MAS in the Star biz pullout last Sat. There was a point when these analyst wrote that they should procure cheaper food but maintain the quality!! Damn these guys, are you joking!!!!! My neighbour ta-paued his in-flight meal once and fed it to his pariah dog, the poor dog died after 5 mins eating that crap!!

GreenBug
22-11-2005, 02:10 PM
Read the article on MAS in the Star biz pullout last Sat. There was a point when these analyst wrote that they should procure cheaper food but maintain the quality!! Damn these guys, are you joking!!!!! My neighbour ta-paued his in-flight meal once and fed it to his pariah dog, the poor dog died after 5 mins eating that crap!!LOL! BTW, since we're on the issue of food & beverages, MAS recently switched from from No. 1 worldwide beverage Coca-Cola to No. 2 Pepsi. Cost savings kah?

Can you imagine the number of health-conscious mat salleh passengers screaming for their Coke Light on the flights?

This one area already tells me MAS is all screwed up......... :mad:

pcyeoh
22-11-2005, 04:00 PM
LOL! BTW, since we're on the issue of food & beverages, MAS recently switched from from No. 1 worldwide beverage Coca-Cola to No. 2 Pepsi. Cost savings kah?
There can be some saving but someone will get richer. When there is fierce competition like what is happening among the telcos, the marketing people are given big budget to do 'conversion' to entice whoever is the decision maker to switch their existing brand to the alternative. This happens everywhere more so when the incumbent is too strong to be uprooted. I think KFC did that from Coke to Pepsi. There is some cost saving or else it is hard to justify the switch but the winner that takes the cake is the decision maker who endorses the switch. If they switch the food contractor, the saving can be very substantial.

layman
22-11-2005, 06:06 PM
any tom dick and harry given a free hand will be able to turnaround MAS

there are so many gapping holes bleeding profusely that even fresh university graduates without any working experience would recognise those leaks.They would proffer that a most simplistic and effective way of solving the 'intractable'problem is to plug those leaking points.

the issue is very simple-will the incoming CEO be given absolute power to run the ship or does he has to curry favour with ABCD and in the process prejudiced his professionalism.will he be allowed to adopt the open tender schemes,meritocratic,accountability and transparent system taken as a matter of factly in multinationals?

turning around MAS is probably the easiest job for any professional.as most forummers mentioned-do we have the political will?

Voter
22-11-2005, 06:45 PM
PM says give the new CEO a chance. I support, PROVIDED he is not plagued with this Agenda and that Agenda and the kris raised above Idris' head. He should be given a free hand to dump those deadwoods, irrespective they are Umnoputras or MCAputra or MICputras or not. I suppose the latter two types of putras would have no say whatsoever. Again, the suppliers also belong to the Putras group. Will they die standing? Sure they will not. Then again political influence comes in. I pity the new CEO, a very good and capable man though, but one palm cannot make any clapping sound!

Voter
22-11-2005, 06:59 PM
I ask you, Mr. ManaAdaSistem, SIA can record profit given the same scenario you are in today. Why can't you? The same guy who ate roti canai while growing up in Malaysia runs that company, just like you. And being a national carrier just like you, they have managed to handle turbulent times. ANd here you are, with almost all major domestic routes monopolied and yet record losses after losses!!

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SIA was run by a TRUE MALAYSIAN (since retired). He helped SIA become one of the greatest airlines in the world. Do we value our own Malaysians?

GreenBug
22-11-2005, 11:41 PM
I think KFC did that from Coke to Pepsi. No lah PC, KFC & Pizza Hut is with Pepsi Cola because they all belong to each other in a company known as Tricon Inc. :rolleyes:

MAS switched from Coke to Pepsi because more passengers prefer Coke... errr... why switch then? :D :D

orchipalar
23-11-2005, 12:31 AM
any tom dick and harry given a free hand will be able to turnaround MAS

the issue is very simple-will the incoming CEO be given absolute power to run the ship or does he has to curry favour with ABCD and in the process prejudiced his professionalism.

turning around MAS is probably the easiest job for any professional.as most forummers mentioned-do we have the political will?
Err...in that scenario...please do not forget Orchi...n for the record...Orchi would serve MAS as the CEO for 24 months consecutively...without PAY!...n still be confident to do a better job at it... :o

penangkia
23-11-2005, 11:10 AM
Err...in that scenario...please do not forget Orchi...n for the record...Orchi would serve MAS as the CEO for 24 months consecutively...without PAY!...n still be confident to do a better job at it... :o


Orchi,

It would be pathetic for MAS to make a profit and not pay it's CEO for 24 months. No, We support paying you RM12 million ( after tax) for the 2 year contract plus 5 million MAS ESOS shares at 20 sen/share exercisable upon completion of contract period.

Afterall, if bolehland can spend 15 million to renovate Pm's house, what's a few bucks for turning around MAS..Many Asses Screwed.

When are you available to fanalise all the T&C ? Call 010 5354 6967 for a 4 eye meeting.

First thing you must do is to sack all the top branch monkeys and replace them with all the top notch, high calibre cronies at usj.com. ;)

Let's make MAS the airline that other airlines talk about. :cool:

orchipalar
23-11-2005, 12:25 PM
Orchi, It would be pathetic for MAS to make a profit and not pay it's CEO for 24 months. No, We support paying you RM12 million ( after tax) for the 2 year contract plus 5 million MAS ESOS shares at 20 sen/share exercisable upon completion of contract period.

When are you available to fanalise all the T&C ? Call 010 5354 6967 for a 4 eye meeting.

First thing you must do is to sack all the top branch monkeys and replace them with all the top notch, high calibre cronies at usj.com. ;)

Let's make MAS the airline that other airlines talk about. :cool:
Err...dear PenangKia:)...Orchi wouldn't disagree with you on the above...with an exception that Orchi wouldn't NEED to take any PAY for 24 months period as The CEO of MAS...

The appropriate renumerations package would be shared accordingly amongst the BEST candidates... (http://www.brandmalaysia.com/) of this community forum...sharing Orchi's CEO office...as the COE(Chief Operating Executive)...n his deputies of MAS respectively...whom would oversee n manage the airline...back to its glory days...in the black for a start...within the first 18 months period... :)

GreenBug
23-11-2005, 06:20 PM
I agree with what Orchi and Penangkia is talking about. There are enough candidates out there with lots of management and turnaround experience and knowledge who are willing to be given 2 years without pay to have a go at turning around the airlines. Its a national service of sorts and I'm sure people would be proud and happy to do it, provided there is no interference from the politikus. And honestly, I don't think its difficult... and this is a sincere, honest statement, not an arrogant boast!

So tell me then, why is MAS still in such a sh!t? :mad:

mackzulkifli
24-11-2005, 12:16 AM
You know, the single party most responsible for the mess in Malaysia Airlines was Tajuddin Ramli. The amount of mismanagement, dubious decision-making and careless (some might say irresponsible or even devilish) financial management really took it's toll on the National Carrier.

Staff were transferred and redesignated on the whims and fancy of said person and his inner circle. Little empires were built by little emperors. The drain was catastrophic.

When 'Hurricane Tajuddin' finally left Malaysia Airlines, the disaster was simply horrific. Fuaad Dahlan, a competent airline manager, if somewhat passive, failed to salvage much. His non-confrontative management style proved to be not what the airline needed, and new blood was required. Someone not with the stereotypical thinking of an airline trained man, and able to make 'out-of-the-box' decision. It seems Idris Jala (soon to be Dato' no doubt) was the chosen one. And he comes with sterling management credentials, internationally.

Still, we shall have to wait and see if he is ALLOWED to do the job as best he can. Certain parties are known to be interfering primadonnas, loving the limelight and prone to hero worship. Don't get me wrong, said party is a competent leader in his own right, but no organisation can survive two heads with different management perspectives, irregardless of how good they are individually. Management is in a way like a soccer game, it's a team game. When you think YOU are bigger than the game, than your team is finished.

And in this case, if the team 'bungkus', so will go along with it hundreds of millions of the governments money. Malaysia can no longer afford such costly mistakes. Our cheque books must serve better purposes.

That's just my point of view. And frankly, I am in no way anywhere as good nor experienced as Idris Jala as a CEO. If he fails, a better man than me would have failed to turn around a situation so dire, that it's worrying. :rolleyes:

USJ27Resident
24-11-2005, 02:30 AM
You know,....

That's just my point of view. And frankly, I am in no way anywhere as good nor experienced as Idris Jala as a CEO. If he fails, a better man than me would have failed to turn around a situation so dire, that it's worrying. :rolleyes:

Mack... to write something like that above... bang on target, then to humbly end it like it is... says it all... Kudos to another honest opinion bro.

Hopefully things would change for the better with this new guy heading MAS way... and lets hope that the employees are not screwed (yet again...) because the (previous) management failure to plan/manage properly...

mackzulkifli
24-11-2005, 03:22 AM
For what it's worth, I must admit that whenever something about Malaysia Airlines is said or written, I feel for them in my heart. You see, I was raised on the money that they paid my mother, as an executive employed by them. She retired in the year 2000 after 28 years of service. That means something to me.

Add to it that Malaysia Airlines were the first to give me a break, when I started my career with them, then you can't blame me for being passionate about the matter.

Make no mistake, the commercial aviation industry is not without it's challenges. Old operational practices needs change in renewed global competition and costs spiralling madly upwards. It takes a big man to fill the shoes of the head of our national carrier.

I too agree that the new management must not screw the staff, but most of all, the emphasis must be that they must now screw their customers. The people who pay the salary of the staff are the passengers, making it a viable business. If the staff do not know how to take care of the passengers, then screw them. It's time to show the door.

There are lots of redundant personnel in Malaysia Airlines. Deadwoods and driftwoods, waiting for the 25th of the month just to pick up their salary. These people are the ones the VSS should target. It is not wrong to offer VSS and once the exercise is complete, hire new staff. I have urged some companies I consult for to do this. I see the need for companies to 'exfoliate' (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=exfoliate) and rejuvenate themselves. It comes at a heavy initial cost, but pays wonderful dividends in the long run. But these kind of decisions do not come easy. You have sleepless nights and severe pangs of guilt. I have faced it, dealt with it but frankly pray not to ever be faced with it again.

Secondly, our tax dollars have gone into this company. We work hard for our money. We sweat it out, leaving for office in the morning, driving through the horrid Subang jams, and after all that, face the same sickening traffic coming back home. And then we pay our taxes.

Throwing our money bailing out the extravagance and selfishness of people like Tajuddin Ramli is a bloody sin. It makes us angry. I know I am. We can no longer tolerate people like that sucking money from GLCs, and laughing at our faces from their Jaguars and Ferraris. I really don't care what they ride, but fear that some of them are taking me for a ride. So I can understand the frustration this thread frequently displays.

All Malaysia Airline needs is an inspirational leader that can motivate the staff to give their all, and in turn give the staff what they deserve. Idris Jala cannot do it alone, no matter how gifted or experienced the man is. The politics will interfere, no matter what.

The question is, for whose interest will the interference be, Malaysia Airlines or specific parties hoping to fleece the company?

Thanks USJ27Resident, for your kind words. Frankly I think Malaysia Airlines has very far to go. I just hope they find someone who will 'walk' them all the way back to profitability, and our pride.

For now, I don't envy the chap who is tasked to turn them around. Bloody scary job man. Really bloody scary. :eek:

fedup
24-11-2005, 07:06 AM
I am willing to bet my last dollar that Idris will not be able to cure MAS as the media had exposed him to be a non-muslim.( not Malay but still a bumiputra) Can he call for meetings on Fridays? His hands will be tied down by Malay Agenda. Remember that as far as M"sia is concerned it had always been " Bangsa, Keluarga then only Negara" given the fact that he is "Malay" by name, I sincerely beleive that the people who suggested his name made a mistake thinking that he is "malay". He does not qualify to be a "Malay" as I understands he is a Christian. If I am still around in 5 years time I bet he will have been asked to leave as to enable a "malay" to take over. Our PM had just said that NEP had been not achieved and this will be continued tru 2020.The minister of transport is from MCA but i have never hear him protecting the Chinese or ask the govt to give a chance to the chinese to serve in any GLC as head or CEO. Correct me if i am wrong but can anyone tell me which head of govt dept or GLC is a Chinese :p :eek: :D

Ski
24-11-2005, 07:49 AM
One of these days Air Asia is going to buy over MAS for RM1 watch and see :D

GreenBug
24-11-2005, 01:00 PM
All Malaysia Airline needs is an inspirational leader that can motivate the staff to give their all, and in turn give the staff what they deserve. Idris Jala cannot do it alone, no matter how gifted or experienced the man is. The politics will interfere, no matter what. You're right on when you mentioned that MAS cannot afford to have two heads. The other head, not the incoming one, should return and assume his non-executive role as soon as the NET (Jala) arrives to take up his CEO position, or else.....

I spoke to some people who know the CEO-designate, they all said the same thing - if this guy fails, thats the end for MAS, because he's one of the very few who could turn the screws well.... :rolleyes:

I pray for MAS and the thousands of people whose rice bowls depend on it. With this prayer, my Lord, please grant us the wish that You do not allow that famous son-in-law of u-know-who stick his finger in the catering and outsourcing business of the national airline, Amen! :D

gnehkgnep
24-11-2005, 02:14 PM
I pray for MAS and the thousands of people whose rice bowls depend on it. With this prayer, my Lord, please grant us the wish that You do not allow that famous son-in-law of u-know-who stick his finger in the catering and outsourcing business of the national airline, Amen! :D

As far as I know......this s-i-l is becoming an instant celebrity with plenty of ppl chasing after him for gormen contracts........remember how the umno putra give him a standing ovation this yr during the umno anniversary compared to yr b4.........surely this guy know how to find his way to the top.......... :rolleyes:

pcyeoh
24-11-2005, 03:05 PM
I am willing to bet my last dollar that Idris will not be able to cure MAS as the media had exposed him to be a non-muslim.( not Malay but still a bumiputra) Can he call for meetings on Fridays? His hands will be tied down by Malay Agenda. Remember that as far as M"sia is concerned it had always been " Bangsa, Keluarga then only Negara" given the fact that he is "Malay" by name, I sincerely beleive that the people who suggested his name made a mistake thinking that he is "malay". He does not qualify to be a "Malay" as I understands he is a Christian. If I am still around in 5 years time I bet he will have been asked to leave as to enable a "malay" to take over. Our PM had just said that NEP had been not achieved and this will be continued tru 2020.The minister of transport is from MCA but i have never hear him protecting the Chinese or ask the govt to give a chance to the chinese to serve in any GLC as head or CEO. Correct me if i am wrong but can anyone tell me which head of govt dept or GLC is a Chinese :p :eek: :D
Yes, I want to correct you before you go overboard. Ever since your first word on this matter, you have been a racist all the way. Give whoever the benefit of doubt to prove himself whether it is En Idris or his recommender rather than play the racial issue.This guy hasn't even started work yet and you have to pull the chair under him. I understand the problem has less to do with race than UMNOism or to be more precise UMNOcronyism. If you want the names of head of department who are Chinese, just go to the telephone directory and you can find them. The way you are saying it is as if there is none.

GreenBug
24-11-2005, 03:49 PM
As far as I know......this s-i-l is becoming an instant celebrity with plenty of ppl chasing after him for gormen contracts........remember how the umno putra give him a standing ovation this yr during the umno anniversary compared to yr b4.........surely this guy know how to find his way to the top.......... :rolleyes:Do you have his mobile number or email address or not? Can pass to me? :D Just kiddin' you! :D

USJ27Resident
25-11-2005, 01:38 AM
I too agree that the new management must not screw the staff, but most of all, the emphasis must be that they must now screw their customers. The people who pay the salary of the staff are the passengers, making it a viable business. If the staff do not know how to take care of the passengers, then screw them. It's time to show the door.

.... was that line refering to the management or the non management staff...

because it seems that the screwing and shortchanges are almost always coming from implemented rules, procedures, guidelines, requirements, etc etc... and I am pretty sure non management staff cannot put all this SOPs in place...

.... I know of Flight Attendants (and Ground Crew) that are now so worried sick, that their contracts will not be renewed when their first 5 years are up. If you must know, FAs are now employed under a 5 year contract before being offered a permanent place in the company. The last time this thing happened in 1998-2000 -after the unrenewed contracts, there were some many cases of families breaking up, marriages breaking up, and others... :(

TheEdge
26-11-2005, 04:28 AM
I am willing to bet my last dollar that Idris will not be able to cure MAS as the media had exposed him to be a non-muslim.( not Malay but still a bumiputra) Can he call for meetings on Fridays? His hands will be tied down by Malay Agenda. Remember that as far as M"sia is concerned it had always been " Bangsa, Keluarga then only Negara" given the fact that he is "Malay" by name, I sincerely beleive that the people who suggested his name made a mistake thinking that he is "malay". He does not qualify to be a "Malay" as I understands he is a Christian. If I am still around in 5 years time I bet he will have been asked to leave as to enable a "malay" to take over. Our PM had just said that NEP had been not achieved and this will be continued tru 2020.The minister of transport is from MCA but i have never hear him protecting the Chinese or ask the govt to give a chance to the chinese to serve in any GLC as head or CEO. Correct me if i am wrong but can anyone tell me which head of govt dept or GLC is a Chinese.

Yes, I want to correct you before you go overboard. Ever since your first word on this matter, you have been a racist all the way. Give whoever the benefit of doubt to prove himself whether it is En Idris or his recommender rather than play the racial issue.This guy hasn't even started work yet and you have to pull the chair under him. I understand the problem has less to do with race than UMNOism or to be more precise UMNOcronyism. If you want the names of head of department who are Chinese, just go to the telephone directory and you can find them. The way you are saying it is as if there is none.

Lol.. I think someone's getting angry here.. But I do emphatise with pcyeoh. What fedup needs to look into is.. how many malay or indian friend's does he have? I mean, co-worker's, boss, employees don't count. The one's that you invite to your home for teh tariks and open houses or simply watching EPL. Neighbour's don't count either..

I doubt many of us here who do.. :rolleyes:

How can we even think about having a Malaysian Malaysia if we don't even have a close friend who isn't of the same race.. Are we gonna be another Yugoslavia in the future?

orchipalar
02-12-2005, 05:25 PM
MAS picks foreigner as operations chief

KUALA LUMPUR, Dec 1:
Several months ago, a debate took place on whether Malaysia Airlines should hire foreigners to help revive its fortunes.

It appears the reformers have won the day. The national carrier today announced that Peter Read, a key member of the British Airways management team until recently, will be appointed to the newly-created position of Director of Operations from Jan 9.

As a key member of the management team, Read would be responsible for managing all activities relating to the operational safety and efficiency of the airline, Malaysia Airlines said in a statement here.

"This will include taking a key role in the development of Malaysia Airlines’ corporate strategy while restructuring its operations to build a world class team to focus on driving significant and sustainable performance improvement," it said.

Read brings vast airline industry experience to the financially-troubled airline, having spent 32 years in a number of varied roles within BA where he started his career as a pilot in 1972.

Read also held positions as Concorde Operations Controller and at one time a director of Heathrow London. The airline sees him as a vital part of the programme to turn around MAS.

The carrier posted a net loss of RM368 million during the second quarter, bringing the total loss in the first six months to RM648 million.

Revenue in the second quarter grew by 10 per cent to some RM3 billion but costs expanded by 30 per cent.

The high operating cost of RM3.4 billion was the main reason for its losses.

When the issue of hiring foreign help was raised earlier this year, several politicians argued against it, saying it would lead to the country being colonised again. But the more enlightened pointed out that if the carrier was serious in tackling its financial and structural problems, then race or nationality should not be deciding factors.

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Friday/National/20051202081701/Article/indexb_html

Err...so NOT ALL may be lost?...ahem...without political interference...perhaps now the Airline might be able to find the correct trajectory n a right flight path afterall...:)

USJ27Resident
02-12-2005, 05:34 PM
Revenue in the second quarter grew by 10 per cent to some RM3 billion but costs expanded by 30 per cent.

The high operating cost of RM3.4 billion was the main reason for its losses.

Err...so NOT ALL may be lost?...ahem...without political interference...perhaps now the Airline might be able to find the correct trajectory n a right flight path afterall...:)


Hmmmm... spend RM1.30 to make RM1.... :confused:

I sincerely wonder which or what kind of management schools would teach this kind of economics... :rolleyes:

What a love/hate relationship one has to endure... :(