Buying things real cheap......can I know how to deal directly with supplier?

[gnehkgnep]

Looking at how some MLM evolve in the lampe berger thread......i m quite perplex......why must we buy something that we do not need and sell it to another person......ain't it better to get things ppl use daily eg. soap, shampoo, toothpaste, ......etc...... :rolleyes:

I m looking at how Tesco/Jusco/Carrefour and all those hypermarket get their products.....how come they get it at distributor price.....can i get it too?

Where those sundry shops get their products?......even those newspaper vendor know where to get those supply.......how they find out.......handphone reload cards........where to get......all this questions seems to be eluding me......

And i find it here quite funny.......why are we keep discussing mlm when at a glimpse we can see not many willing to join the crowd......m i rite?
Can we talk of something more concrete and feasible.......for ex........if i see a product eg. Pantene shampoo selling at RM20........and just say some of u get it at RM 24 per bottle (750ml)........i sell u min 6 bottle at RM22/bottle.....as i need to profit also lar..........special delivery to USJ/Subang & Puchong......

How's that......can this b more beneficial to all the folks here rather than keep discussing endlessly on the pros/cons of mlm.......or we get someone to buy a big stocks of certain product.....mayb ah kau shop and he give us discount then we all go there to buy.......u win i win.......ain't this better........ :D

Can we start somewhere.......price of goods is getting more n more expensive......can v do something and kick out those distributor or middle man.......why can't we get it direct from supplier??? WHY!!???? :confused:


Here i m wondering whether is it worth looking at starting a biznes which tailor-made to suit customers demand........for ex......let the purchaser know how many ppl want a certain product........then he/she go n buy.......then we collect from the purchaser at a discount.......good idea??
I really intend to start up a biznes mayb selling products ppl will buy......i got some cash......but not interested to make a kill for huge profit.....i travel frequently and don't mind working long hrs travelling.......is there opportunity for such ppl like me.......can pls educate me?....... :D

Can we derive more opportunity and benefits for the folks here since the ppl here are mostly staying nearby.......why must we buy reload coupon at RM100 = face value of RM100.........can't each n everyone of us get it cheaper?.......u see my point of view....... ;)

[gnehkgnep]

Let me elaborate more. I use the products below at the stated price :

1) Pantene shampoo (anti-dandruff) = RM19.90 Port klang
2) Dettol soap (3 piece) = big bar (RM4.40) Tesco
3) Darlie (toothpaste) =RM11 for 2 big unit Tesco
4) Reload cards (Digi) RM100 = RM100......i know someone who managed to sell at RM95 and still make a profit...... :confused:

U all know which shop or store selling cheaper?......Usually i buy in bulk so no need to frequently buy....... :D ....this is what i call a smart consumer.......no need those hypermarket tell us who among them selling us cheaper......i want your comment and feedbacks........Your point of view have more value than those profiteers...... :D

We talk money and $en$e!!......no talk cock k?......can we start up a project to really benefit everyone in terms of money flow......rather than just knowledge and info.......most of us belong to middle income.......that make us having the same needs........setuju?? :rolleyes:

[CCY]

As a single consumer there isn't much you can do to press for a good price. You can not even get to buy direct from the distributor n forget about the manufacturer. Unless someone can organise, maybe an online pooling center that will combined the purchases from all subscribers and build up a quantity that you will be able to aproach the manufacturers directly. The drawback is that you will have to wait for some time before you can get the product.

There are such setup in the electronics components industry whereby the registered purchaser just log in their quantity and wait , hopefully someone will add up n pull down the price.

[gnehkgnep]

CCY, I understand this.....but how come direct selling like Amway and Cosway able to do so.......why there r no single distributor who can stock up what most consumer wants and sell it at cheaper price.......is there one.....or this idea just don't sound so good.....

Why pantene must pass their products to Tesco and other hypermarkets......why can't they just operate like Amway........I buy your products just say 100 units........or mayb hire agents to distribute their products.....this will definitely reach out to more ppl like direct sale.......and we get it cheaper too....... :D

I give a valid ex......if i managed to buy just say 1000 reload coupons worth RM100.....profit for each coupon at RM15.........i sell to everyone at RM90......i made RM5 X 1000 = RM5000.....and everyone pay less RM10 for reloading their h/phone........we got such huge members here......ain't it good enuff......... :rolleyes:

[SunwayKid]

CCY, I understand this.....but how come direct selling like Amway and Cosway able to do so.......why there r no single distributor who can stock up what most consumer wants and sell it at cheaper price.......is there one.....or this idea just don't sound so good..............
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I give a valid ex......if i managed to buy just say 1000 reload coupons worth RM100.....profit for each coupon at RM15.........i sell to everyone at RM90......i made RM5 X 1000 = RM5000.....and everyone pay less RM10 for reloading their h/phone........we got such huge members here......ain't it good enuff......... :rolleyes:

Do you honestly believe those AMWAY and COSWAY promoters work for free? It is just another medium before it reach the end consumers like you and me. Personally, I don't find direct selling companies any cheaper than the hypermarts. Some more, want refund if product something wrong very susah -must find the promoter who will try their best to avoid you. :D

The concept you are promoting is bulk buy and this is being practiced in some forum, especially for computer products. The risk is that some people who initially subscribe on COD basis, cabut (they call it ffk) and the organise end up with the goods. Then, there are some who after collecting the deposits also cabut. Would people put up money up front for someone who only has a nic in the forum? Then, there is the question of warranty.

Reload coupons, good idea but margin not so much lah, used to be less than 10%. If you can find the customers, I am sure you can easily get the distributor.

With all the warehouse sales going on by the manufacturers - who do you think is being squeezed out from the market? ;)

[gnehkgnep]

With all the warehouse sales going on by the manufacturers - who do you think is being squeezed out from the market? ;)

Ah ha......but this warehouse usually lasted for 2 days only.....why not they prolong the period.......at least do it during weekends will enable many to buy things cheap cheap :D ..........i think so far myself only managed to go to 10% of the warehouse sales....and problem is the product i want to buy in bulk and used frequently usually hard for me to attend (due to bz working) or i just kinda missed the date or rather the knowledge of whatsoever warehouse sales.........usually other than thru this forum.......where the heck to find most of the warehouse sales.......newspaper? mags?.......or warehouse mags subscription?......... :D

And where to find those warehouse/distributor/stockist whereby i can shop there.........and do not necessary buy from those retailers who charged u a bomb for their product........ :rolleyes:

[CoryFan]

Hi gnehkgnep,

First of all, do you work??

I guess if everyone can get the stuffs from manufacturer, many people will lose their jobs when the hypermarket closed down :D

I guess when u saying direct from manufacturer, then u are not talking about 1-100 or even 1000. Should be much much more. More often, a warehouse sale mean they have surplus or some older stock. If they the sale everyday, which hypermarket or smaller shop will want to buy from them... is true that they might generate more money in the 2 days sale but losing the sale to the hypermarket or shops are a long term thing..... :rolleyes:

[gnehkgnep]

Hi gnehkgnep,

First of all, do you work??

I guess if everyone can get the stuffs from manufacturer, many people will lose their jobs when the hypermarket closed down :D

I guess when u saying direct from manufacturer, then u are not talking about 1-100 or even 1000. Should be much much more. More often, a warehouse sale mean they have surplus or some older stock. If they the sale everyday, which hypermarket or smaller shop will want to buy from them... is true that they might generate more money in the 2 days sale but losing the sale to the hypermarket or shops are a long term thing..... :rolleyes:

Yup....i m working my ass out.....day & night.....round the clock......hehehe :D ......i get what u mean.....but izit possible for individual or a group of ppl to purchase directly from the manufacturer......yes.....we r not talking of 100 or 1000 but more......for example.....if i can get 10 pax who use the same product and then this group of ppl purchase direct from just say u the manufacturer/stockist......are there such channel?.......if yes.....then i would very much appreciate to know one.......at least even if i cannot afford to consume all the items i bought.....i can still keep the stock and selling it to others......but at the same price i bought......so everyone happy :D ...... ;)

[delivery]

really interested in this topic.
can we 'pool' together or any idea how to 'combine effort' to make a bulk
purchase so that we can deal direct with supplier or manufacturer??

:D

[kelvinwkw]

Im on... :D

[gnehkgnep]

Wauuu....this is coming to at least something.....3 forumers already giving a nice shot at making things work out :

1. gnehkgnep
2. delivery
3. kelvinwkw

Any more? :D

[delivery]

At last - response. TQ.

It is easier said than done.
I have tried 'pooling' to purchase but not much outcome.

Unless, we can really get a large number/quantity - there is not
much discounts that can be allowed. what a shame :mad:

Another thing is what we purchased by 'pooling' are not our basic
necessities BUT usually some accessories, and mostly MLM products.

Any bright(or stupid) ideas ? :o :rolleyes:

[cherry]

Another way is to be friend with the Sales Representative, Executive or Manager for the company. For instance, you befriend with people from Nestle for your coffee, cereal or Milo supplies. My bro-in-law used to work with Nestle so we get good discounts or staff price for those things. Now, he's attached with P&G and we get discount for SK2 and Head & Shoulders shampoo. Unfortunately, he's based in my hometown, KK so I have to buy it at a retail price... :(

[gnehkgnep]

Do they imposed certain quota for staff.....

The other day......my colleague in lubricants got some offer for staff....but problem is it is limited to RM500 per month.......if full-synthetic about RM100
So....he bought the whole lot and myself have to buy at retail oso.... :(

[cherry]

Some companies do impose quotas like what you have mentioned. Some of them can buy only once a year at a good price and some are once a month (e.g. J&J). That's why its best that we know lots of people and do some networking. For you info, the company that I work with do not have any quota for staff and we can purchase every week but most of the product here are premium and eventhough I get staff price its still expensive for me :(

[gnehkgnep]

Cherry, what stuff u have....can i have some?? :rolleyes: :D

[tupai]

guys, i hate to pour water on yr plans.

Bulk purchase at best effort, can only be available for 99% of the population in places liek makro.

The type of discount that u want is NOT even applicable to sundry shop...wonder why u see people going to makro and buy toothpaste or drinks y the tens of cartons?. Makro do sell the stuff at the barest minimum margins.

Most fmcg products do not have fat margin...by sens for most single sku. Unless u are a cooperative (and 90% guaranteed to fail :eek: where your single ONE order can go into hundreds of carton, no repeat NO manufacturer will entertain you.

International key account like C4, tesco, giant, jjusco order by the thousands of carton every week...delivery takes place 2 times a week...and thats serious volume compare to us having the ability to muster 29.5 usj forummers :D

Yang AMt Berkecewa lato tupai

p/s the late bossman loy of mbf opened a minimarket/cooperative for his staff of thousands (under the mbf grp) in jln pudu...it died a sorry natural death only 2 years after inception. why, u ask...buy me a drink and the short story will unfold... :D

[gnehkgnep]

guys, i hate to pour water on yr plans.

Bulk purchase at best effort, can only be available for 99% of the population in places liek makro.

The type of discount that u want is NOT even applicable to sundry shop...wonder why u see people going to makro and buy toothpaste or drinks y the tens of cartons?. Makro do sell the stuff at the barest minimum margins.

Most fmcg products do not have fat margin...by sens for most single sku. Unless u are a cooperative (and 90% guaranteed to fail :eek: where your single ONE order can go into hundreds of carton, no repeat NO manufacturer will entertain you.

International key account like C4, tesco, giant, jjusco order by the thousands of carton every week...delivery takes place 2 times a week...and thats serious volume compare to us having the ability to muster 29.5 usj forummers :D

Yang AMt Berkecewa lato tupai

p/s the late bossman loy of mbf opened a minimarket/cooperative for his staff of thousands (under the mbf grp) in jln pudu...it died a sorry natural death only 2 years after inception. why, u ask...buy me a drink and the short story will unfold... :D

Thanks lato for your informative and great advice....yes...can I know the short story.....i'll buy ya a drink.....u give me your mbb acc no......hehe :D
wow.... thousands of cartons......that will cost me few hundred k at least.... :eek:

kecewa teramat sangat and highly depressed...... :(

[Teeque]

The story is simple - not enuf volume lor. Ur talking abt onli a few thousand staff and most may not even stay nearby that minimart in Pudu.

When ur talking abt hypermarkets like Tesco, Giant or Carrefour, they target a consumer market area as large as abt 100,000 hseholds. You can imagine the volumes these 100,000 hseholds can generate for consumer products every week. That's why all consumer product manufacturers make a beeline to these outlets, no question. And most products sell slightly cheaper than your local retail shop, sundry shop or minimart. Like tupai mentioned, small profit margin. So when u go to these outlets, you plan ur purchases for longer term and buy what u need and which ones at cheaper prices.

At ur local sundry shops and minimarts, most consumer products sell at RRP (recommended retail price) or maybe 10-50 sen more or less than RRP, depending on rebates offered by supplier, if any. Since volume at these shops are only a few hundred per mth, very little rebates are offered. Some daily use products may even sell for RM1-2 more than RRP. Why? Becos ppl shop there for convenience and its nearby, and its normally for 1 or 2 items. The margins for shopowners are far more lower so they charge more. Rate of replenishment of products may be once in 2 weeks or once a mth.

As for your question, why cant you get products at lower prices? You will be asked, what kind of bulk/volumes of purchase do u hv, in a week? Then why warehouse sale you may ask? Its to clear inventory, production overruns, save storage space or new product launch soon.

Hope u hv a clearer idea how things work now. :D

[sly]

The story is simple - not enuf volume lor. Ur talking abt onli a few thousand staff and most may not even stay nearby that minimart in Pudu.

When ur talking abt hypermarkets like Tesco, Giant or Carrefour, they target a consumer market area as large as abt 100,000 hseholds. You can imagine the volumes these 100,000 hseholds can generate for consumer products every week. That's why all consumer product manufacturers make a beeline to these outlets, no question. And most products sell slightly cheaper than your local retail shop, sundry shop or minimart. Like tupai mentioned, small profit margin. So when u go to these outlets, you plan ur purchases for longer term and buy what u need and which ones at cheaper prices.

At ur local sundry shops and minimarts, most consumer products sell at RRP (recommended retail price) or maybe 10-50 sen more or less than RRP, depending on rebates offered by supplier, if any. Since volume at these shops are only a few hundred per mth, very little rebates are offered. Some daily use products may even sell for RM1-2 more than RRP. Why? Becos ppl shop there for convenience and its nearby, and its normally for 1 or 2 items. The margins for shopowners are far more lower so they charge more. Rate of replenishment of products may be once in 2 weeks or once a mth.

As for your question, why cant you get products at lower prices? You will be asked, what kind of bulk/volumes of purchase do u hv, in a week? Then why warehouse sale you may ask? Its to clear inventory, production overruns, save storage space or new product launch soon.

Hope u hv a clearer idea how things work now. :D

applause...teeque...good explaination....
only thing is try explaining to one dumb aunty paying money right in front of me the other day at usj9, she's making a big fuss about an item she is going to buy selling for 20cents more than those hypermarket...she wants to bargain and the cashier say she cant do that...then she make hell lot of noise and say she will go to those hypermarket to get it....plain dumb...her petrol cost more than 20cent la...and pls la give ppl a chance to survive... :mad: