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Ski
08-11-2005, 03:19 PM
Thirteen people died in road accidents yesterday, bringing the death toll to 202 since Ops Sikap IX started on Oct 27.

Motorcyclists accounted for the most deaths at five, followed by pedestrians (four) and motorists and passengers (two each).



A total of 1,015 accidents were reported yesterday, bringing the grand total to 10,988 in the 12 days of the special operation held in conjunction with Deepavali and Aidilfitri.

Most of the accidents occurred on municipal roads which accounted for 415, followed by federal roads (273), state roads (181), highways

So now who is to be blamed for this suicidal trip to the kampong and back.
Police, Highways, roads, laws, the governement, the quality of the vehiciles or the attitude of drivers themselves.

KH EE
08-11-2005, 04:02 PM
me think, it's the attitude of the drivers! despite facing no-discount summons of RM300 for each offence, a lot of drivers are willing to break the law, like driving on the emergency lane, beating the lights, overtaking at double line...

maybe the govt's move to take away their driving licences/jail sentence ought to do it. but then again, m'sians are known to be VERY creative... :rolleyes:

saml
08-11-2005, 04:18 PM
It all boils down to enforcement. If our authorities uphold the law without fear or favour then the people would actually respect the law. Just yesterday whilst travelling on a federal road this unser overtook 2 vehicles on a double line and coming in the opposite direction was a police car.It was obvious that it was a police car with the attachment at the roof. Even I could see it and I was at the back. They just did and the police just flashed his headlights at them and let it be without even attempting to turn around and chase those idiots.

mlkok
08-11-2005, 10:39 PM
Let's put it this way, it basically boils down to us Malaysians. We've got a very bad attitude. Everyone is very selfish, thinking that the law does not apply to them. They think only of themselves and not of the consequences of their actions. It is time to change that attitude!! :mad:

tan_r
08-11-2005, 10:50 PM
Let's put it this way, it basically boils down to us Malaysians. We've got a very bad attitude. Everyone is very selfish, thinking that the law does not apply to them. They think only of themselves and not of the consequences of their actions. It is time to change that attitude!! :mad:
I totally agree with that. Start by looking at ourselves and stop pointing the fingers at others.

sly
08-11-2005, 11:08 PM
if you're one of the parents that blocked the whole road in ss19 just to pick up your kids...then we can understand how good is our malaysian's sikap la....park further and walk to the school pun tak boleh? lagi all act like taiko.... one finger point out....how many point back in? :rolleyes:

additions....one of my fren is kinda like small time road bully....drive fast...tailgate (it's so common now)....i tell him straight in his face if he maintain that way i wont follow him in his car anymore.....i told him if he want to die do it alone...and i told him how unlucky his gf is....to have such a bf....now he drive like a gentleman.... :D saya punya story la...

GreenBug
09-11-2005, 12:28 AM
IMHO its the us as parents who are at fault. We break the rules in front of our kids, so now they 'monkey see, monkey do' loh.

We never have kind words to say about the cops. We always say "alamak, hiding in the bush again - cari makan" instead of "poor cops, the weather is so hot they have to shelter under the tree for a short break" in front of the kids in the car.

Then we form the attitude and we start being fearless of it. Emergency lane kah, double-line lah, triple-parking kah, apa peduli? Sudah mati nanti baru tahu, tetapi sudah terlambat! :eek:

expat1609
09-11-2005, 02:16 AM
Let's put it this way, it basically boils down to us Malaysians. We've got a very bad attitude. Everyone is very selfish, thinking that the law does not apply to them. They think only of themselves and not of the consequences of their actions. It is time to change that attitude!! :mad:
that is the point....if i, as a matsalleh had posted it, i would be either ignored or banged from all sides.
pls. don't get me wrong, i love you malaysians and i love your country !
just for the records:
i did not come here on a work contract, i came with my family - malaysian wife - not knowing what will happen, not having any job, we just came to live in this, my wifes, country.
i mentioned in other threads how nice i am treated here as a foreigner, and my wife can tell you very different stories about my home country treating her.
what puzzles me is how the local traffic situation could change me.
i was travelling for 10 years, all over europe and there was nothing and nobody that could make me angry on the road. but after driving in malaysia i notice that i am going angry and driving stupid and agressive at times.
and that i belive happens to most of you. you leave the house, meet the first idiot - let him be - the second - f u - the third will make you crazy and you start bumper to bumper, not let the fourth idiot squezze in and so on...
the very bad attitude i see mostly on the road and by not bothering about the laws!
why is that so? everybody wants to be home first? tak boleh...you go from k.l. to usj, i from k.l. to p.j., so you cannot be first anyway :D
enforced or not, if everyone accepts a double line, a red traffic light, an abulance/bomba/polis-vehicle goes first.....how much less deaths we would have every single day.
and i am not saying that europeans are so good and great, but when you find one idiot out of 10 drivers in here, it might be 1 out of 100 over there - and that is an attitude problem, isn't it ??

expat1609
09-11-2005, 02:22 AM
and btw. i do not mean to point fingers, i mean to tell you what i experience before, and is better then what you do.
and i do appreciate what i have seen over here, what you do better then i ever could imagine, and tankkfullly learn from you - isn't that what life should be about, learn from each other, to get the best out of life for all of us??

Ski
09-11-2005, 08:34 AM
The way I see it the enforcement ppl have given up hounding these wrong doers..because they apt to flout the laws repeatedly.
I agree it is the attitude and mentality of the drivers and nobody can educate them but themselves.. behind the wheel they become monsters. This attitude "of it wont happen to me" runs in all our minds.

So if these drivers prefer to take a short cut to hell please dont drag the law bidding drivers too.

Lastly i feel the destiny and fate depends on the appitude of the driver how he controls his car and not allow his car control him.

Btw the Star reported today that there were 160,000 unlicensed motorists and have been arrested in the last 11 months..its only a tip of an iceberg.
So in this case what is the enforcemnt ppl doing about this?? This is very dangerous situtation for other drivers putting our lives in jeopardy.But then again having a licence does also not mean that you are a better driver looking at the rate of accidents nowdays.

saml
09-11-2005, 08:55 AM
I think it still boils down to enforcement and whether the current laws are sufficiently severe enough to deter potential wrong doers. Of all the 160000 people who were caught, how many have actually been locked up. Will they be locked up only if they kill someone on the road? If that is so then it would be too late. It is pointless to come up statistics and not do anything tangible about it. It makes good reading and everyone jumps up for a few days and that is it. As some of you have rightly said we have to look at ourselves first and fortunately for me I do not have to be subject to the 9 to 5 routine so I get caught in a jam only occasionally but if I have to face it daily I am be different , I really do not know and would not like to guess.
children see children do. that I agree 100%.

ksj_cool
09-11-2005, 09:12 AM
Our Malaysians always look for convenience at the the expense of other people's safety. Look what happens when a new steamboat restuarant opens up at SS18/5, alongside JM Briyani. Everbody parks along SS18/5 even tho there is ample car parks in front of the shops. This causes much difficulty for resident in the area and other cars driving up SS18/5f (going to usj) and is now becoming potential place for a accident to occur. If you are one of the patrons of this restuarant, please park yr car properly at the available parking lots!!! Shoul somebody ram into yr car, you would probably lose yr ncb and the other party will make third party claims fr yr insurance.

mykern
09-11-2005, 09:13 AM
sabaidee... third world we are, obiwan ... but population is growing so a few fall outs don't matter ..... no nid to buy expensive cars becos they will be scratch and banged by the bikers ... just take care of your health becos the silent killer is the dirty drinking water and unhygienic food ..
bikers don't blog like us becos of lower income .. cant waste time surfing like us .. always rushing to work because we bosses can't tolerate lateness .. can't tolerate shoddy work .. similarly, lower income ppl take two jobs to earn a living, so work until late at nite .. not enuf sleep ..
so life goes on in circles until a quantum leap occurs in our style of living happens like after 9/11 .. 'when the world changed!"

bye ..

newbies
09-11-2005, 01:02 PM
i) if you start counting, then of course the number is shocking
ii) why only count death/accidents etc during festive season
iii) wrong area concentrated during operasi, why have to concentrate of speed only when its comes to highway...issues like small cars with more than 4 passengers, unhealthy (no brake lights etc) cars...

dilemma .... a deserted highway with speed of 110 km/hr made ppl drive only on the left side of the road...what happen to right lane? well the moment you changed to right lane, wham!! police is infront........

police should try to associate speed with type of cars...120km/h for kancil is suicidal but for bmw is just a cruise................... :rolleyes:

saml
09-11-2005, 02:02 PM
The country is producing more cars than it can sell so it has to make it easy for people to own cars. In doing so they are putting these vehicles in the hands of people who are not ready to drive a car, either financially or emotionally. They still think they are riding a cub chai weaving in and out of traffic. They see a double line they overtake and if my experience on the road is anything to go by nowadays there are those crazy bastards who will purposely drive very close to you at high speeds. You are in our own lane and this sob will cross over to your side of the road even if he is not overtaking anything and makes you avoid him by turning to your left and if there is a motorbike whom you did not notice on your left an accident happens through no fault of yours.

Ski
09-11-2005, 02:33 PM
We can talk till the ducks come back, nothing will change just be careful and be alert at all times.

Net Rider
09-11-2005, 03:01 PM
The worse thing about our drivers is when you are on the highway, doing the speed limit and someone, in a big SUV, an expensive limo or a souped up car tailgates you, and I mean six inches off you bumper, and sometimes flashes his headlight. You heart starts pounding and your blood pressure shoots up, and your first instinct is to move out of the idiots way. DON'T, what you should do, and I hope everyone considers, and even take up my suggestion, is to;
stay in the same lane and at the same speed, or if you were fast, slow down to the speed limit, and just ignore him or her (don't look in the rearview mirror).
We have to do this to teach idiots like that, that tailgating, flashing and threatening behaviour is no way to drive, if you want to overtake, wait at a safe distance behind the car infront, when there is room, he will always move over for you to overtake.
I have been doing this to tailgaters and I believe, at least a few of them have got the message from me.

orchipalar
09-11-2005, 03:10 PM
stay in the same lane and at the same speed, or if you were fast, slow down to the speed limit, and just ignore him or her (don't look in the rearview mirror).

Err...NetRider:)...in that likely scenario...can Orchi assumes that you were overtaking another vehicle on the outside lane?

hudson chia
09-11-2005, 03:18 PM
Net Rider, you suggestion is dangerous. Usually the right lane is meant for overtaking and after you have done that you should be back to your lane at the speed you wish.

By holding up somebody in the right lane , you may obstruct an emergency call and worst of all if you anger the tailgaters you may be facing a potential road bully. Why take that risk, cool down and let them pass, if they choose to break the speed limit it is not your problem. Don't take law into your own hands. sometimes it this attititude of I am following the law and so must you, that create more jams and unnecessary encounter. Have a good heart, let them pass and you will have less pressure and a pleasant drive.

gtl
09-11-2005, 03:33 PM
my take on this matter are :

1) cars are not well maintained, tyres are bold, brakes are faulty and so on.
2) cars are not equip with ABS or airbag, proton cars mainly.
3) license are bought.
4) no enforcement.

#i feel with good enforcement, who dares to speed and drive like a monkey.

yvc
09-11-2005, 03:53 PM
As for myself;

Enforcement and Corruption - these two are like abang adik. they both work hand in hand. corruption has to be reduced and Enforcement has to be enhanced. our bad malaysian attitude cannot be corrected through proper road education or stiffer laws and so on. Even those who are highly educated also having the same monkey behaviour and brain especially on the road. The only thing to reduce these driver related problems are through continuos ENFORCEMENT with MINIMAL CORRUPTION.

Good example is Australia and NZ - we know that their road users are all well behave one but sometimes we do find monkey drivers around and to stop this the authority conduct continuos check.

Net Rider
10-11-2005, 08:13 AM
Normally, I would not be on the outer lane, but in the middle lane, but if the middle lane is clogged with traffic travelling below the speed limit, I would go out to the outer lane and travel at, or slightly above the speed limit i.e. I am overtaking; but I am not overtaking by revving up my engine and shooting very quickly past one car and darting back into the same lane. I would rather, in a sense be passing a/or many slower cars on the inner lane by driving slightly faster then them but not too fast over the speed limit. Therefore, I feel that I have every justification to be on the outer lane.
I didn't say, I wouldn't let other vehicles pass, I would move out of the way for vehicles behind me if I can see that they stay a safe distance from me and wait for an reasonably long opening in the middle lane for me to move to. I would only obstruct cars which dive right up to my bumper and try to intimidate me.
As for road bullies, do your worse, unless you are driving an 18 wheeler dumper truck, I don't scare easily.

orchipalar
10-11-2005, 06:50 PM
Btw the Star reported today that there were 160,000 unlicensed motorists and have been arrested in the last 11 months..its only a tip of an iceberg.

Err...the minister of transport CKC has put an angry front...during an interview with the media n press people when addressing the irresponsibility of many unlicensed drivers putting themselves n others in grave danger by driving on the public road without valid licenses...ahem...he is also angry at parents who would allow their children to drive vehicles or ride motobikes without valid licenses...:o

Err...Orchi has this to ask the BIG shot minister of an important ministry in our federal gomen...after so many months in his tenure as the minister of transport...is this the bluddy n freaking 1st time he is coming across this piece of reality...which has been going on for donkeys of years already...???

Err...being angry is one thing...BUT what the fork is he going to do about this freaking menacing issue...???...ahem...meetings...after meetings...press conferences after press conferences...n then what? ...hangat hangat tahi ayam...!:rolleyes:

Ahem...or is he still being too busy trying to resolve...the freaking baggage handling issues at KLIA...?

penangkia
10-11-2005, 09:03 PM
Normally, I would not be on the outer lane, but in the middle lane, but if the middle lane is clogged with traffic travelling below the speed limit, I would go out to the outer lane and travel at, or slightly above the speed limit i.e. I am overtaking; but I am not overtaking by revving up my engine and shooting very quickly past one car and darting back into the same lane. I would rather, in a sense be passing a/or many slower cars on the inner lane by driving slightly faster then them but not too fast over the speed limit. Therefore, I feel that I have every justification to be on the outer lane.
I didn't say, I wouldn't let other vehicles pass, I would move out of the way for vehicles behind me if I can see that they stay a safe distance from me and wait for an reasonably long opening in the middle lane for me to move to. I would only obstruct cars which dive right up to my bumper and try to intimidate me.
As for road bullies, do your worse, unless you are driving an 18 wheeler dumper truck, I don't scare easily.


I agree with you. As for me, I use my cruise control even for overtaking at 110km/h and rev. it up a little if necessary but not more then 120K/hr. Then, if some idiots come behind and tailgate or flash lights.....the fun begins. I will slow down to speed limit ie 110km/h while overtaking the car on the left travelling maybe at 105km/hr. Guess how long I will take to overtake this car.
What makes ppl think that when overtaking on the fast lane, it is legal to speed more than 110km/hr.
A lot of idiots think that when overtaking , there is no speed limit and if you are slower than them, you should let them pass even when you are overtaking a car on your left and doing the speed limit.
Fuc* them. :mad:

Emergency case is another story.

fonzie
10-11-2005, 09:53 PM
Allow me to share this with you folks...

1. Most of the accidents occurred on Federal roads.
2. From media pictures, they were head-on collisions.

From these two info, perhaps we ought to look at the roads where these accidents occurred.

1. I have a feeling that the roads were straight and double lanes on both sides or double lanes one side and single lane the other side. All separated by a double line drawing....

2. Such roads are common eg along the old road around Parit Buntar, Nibong Tebal up north and Gambang at the east coast..

3. At night speeding along such stretches of roads is tempting....

4. Perhaps the authorities could look at the possibility of putting a concrete barrier separating the roads, instead of having double lines...

5. This may inconvenienced the residents along the road because their houses are on both sides of the road and to cross from one side to the other is going to be bothersome with the barriers....

Food for thought for the relevant authorities...
I'm afraid more legislation is not the only answer...

Cheers!
FonZie

kwchang
10-11-2005, 10:38 PM
My take on this topic is plain simple fact that many people on the road knows not and cares not for the highway code. Yes, in my day, I had to learn the highway code to pass my driving test. And yet, in my time, I am quite sure a lot of people are not too bothered about the highway code.

So what is the highway code? It is something like what Fonzie mentioned. Such as no overtaking when there is a double line. Or when the dividing line is a semi-broken line with the unbroken line on your side of the road. Then there is the need to refer to road signs and obey their existance. Another simple rule is to maintain a safe distance from the vehicle in front of you.

I can't help noticing that a lot of drivers (even in our highly urbanised and highly educated USJ as well) ignore road signs. People who like to drive the way it is convenient for themselves, regardless if it break the basic laws. Such as cutting across the road to make a u-turn just because there is a break in the divider even though it is blatently obvious the break is meant for u-turns from the other lane (re: the one break found near Taipan near Hongkong Bank - I have seen cars from Taipan cut across to make a quick dash towards USJ11 against the flow of traffic).

Teeque
11-11-2005, 06:49 AM
Food for thought:

1. Too many vehicles on the roads
No. of vehicles are multiplying by abt 1 mil year by year (due to supporting local automotive industry). So it isnt surprising accident figures rise substantially yearly. And these new car buyers, how many of them, do you think, are new drivers (P license) on the road? Which brings us to the next problem.

2. Too many new and 'learner' drivers on our roads.
Over the past few years, there are a lot more of these drivers on the road, with the 'P' stickers. Even after they had passed their driving tests, the first 2 years are still very probationary for them as they are still learning to drive and also learning to drive on our crazy Malaysian traffic conditions. How many times hv you encountered these learner drivers driving too cautiously or too haphazardly. Eg. you see a P driver signalling, trying to cut out to lane infront of you, you see them, slow down and allow them to do so but then they take ages to change to outer lanes, thereby creating a slowing backlog behind you. Or you are abt to pass this P driver's car but he suddenly just shoot out to your lane and then only start signalling, you had to jam on your brakes to avoid hitting it and thereby caused a whole lot of cars behind you to jam on their brakes as well. If unlucky, there might be a vehicle accident pile up :mad: creating a humongous traffic jam on both sides of the road.

3. Badly designed roads and highways cannot accomodate the increase vehicle nos.
It is no secret that new vehicles increase yearly for the past decade to the point that our tiny KL/Malaysian roads and highways cannot accomodate vehicular increase anymore. In the Klang valley, most highways are only two lanes, which is not much of a difference to a two lane road, but they let private entities take over and 'dressed up' the road, put in a multiple lanes toll and then rename it expressway. 10 - 15 years ago it might suffice but now, dont bet on it. So which idiot had the foresight to let highway concessionaires to design it as such? Ultimately, badly designed roads which cannot accomodate vehicles will result in traffic accidents. No rocket science here.
Even township's main arterial roads are too small or badly designed to accomodate increase in traffic due to new housing projects therefore increase in vehicles which gives rise to accidents. Subang has 2 such fine examples of a road, I'm sure you know which 2, no need to mention.

4. Education? Attitude change? Harder driving tests? More Ops Sikap?
These are fine proposals. Provided the traffic conditions and fundamentals (as highlighted above) are improved. If the fundamentals of traffic and driving conditions are still negative, no matter how much education, enforcement and harsher penalties proposed will not be of much use. Because it is the bad and negative fundamentals that are the cause agents that lead to increase in accident statistics. I mean, imagine, if we dont hv to battle bad traffic jams daily and traffic conditions are very much pleasurable to drive in, wont attitudes to driving on the roads change? Ultimately, less stress, pressure and anger on the roads, which leads to better drivers and driving environment, therefore less accidents.

CCY
11-11-2005, 09:51 AM
25 years ago....the chance of getting caught from beating a red light , stuck in a yellow box compare with now is 25 is to 1 .
How much do you think the accident rate/lawbreakers can be reduce....with the cops nowhere to be seen....

Ski
11-11-2005, 10:30 AM
Okay whom do you blame for this?
A 13 boy drives his father's car and kills a 22 year old motorcyclist, reported in todays papers.

The car should be confisicated and the parents to be severely punished.
Surely they know their son can drive why leave the car at his disposal. They should not go scot free, otherwise these sort of illegal driving is going to go on.What are your views?

Tq

Net Rider
11-11-2005, 01:59 PM
Ski,

You can't punish someone unless you can proof them guilty, if they parents say they didn't know, we can't proof that they are lying.

The boy on the other hand should be severely punished, I suggest that he should be blacklisted and not allowed to apply for a driving licence until he is 30 years old, that should teach him a lesson and send a strong message to other youngsters thinking of driving a car without a licence.

penangkia
11-11-2005, 02:12 PM
The question is what is in the law that the kid and the parent can be charged under ?

Manslaughter for the kid and criminal negligence for the parent/s ? These sounds like the most appropriate charges under the circumstances but would the Law allow this ?

Personally, I think this is a very testing case. A person have been needlessly killed and nothing anyone do now can change that. That is the sad reality.

Than, you have a 13 year kid who was rash and stupid enough to drive a car without permission or knowledge from the parents ( only an assumption ).Do society want to condemn him for the rest of his life for one act of childish stupidity ?
For the parents...can any parent/s have 100% attention on the kids 100% of the time? If kids want to do mischief, they can be quite resourceful.

I think some form of compensation from insurance? ( not likely) and also from the parents would be in order.
Satisfactory justice? Not so easy for such cases unfortunately.

orchipalar
11-11-2005, 02:37 PM
Err...the parent/owner of vehicle is solely liable to pay all third parties claims...for negligence when an unauthorized person(the kid) drove it n got involved in the accident...(no insurance company can honour any coverage)

For recovery of losses suffered by finance ownership...the same is liable to continue the instalments for the vehicle loans, if any...

The kid is liable to be prosecuted under the laws in the juvenile court...for accidental manslaughter(2nd degree max)...n when found guilty...sentenced to serve time at the correction centre...

IF it was theft...it could have been reported that way by the parents...n the kid would be charged additionally for theft as well...

Either ways...the guardian or parents...are responsible for their kids' actions...n they could be charged for negligence as well...

newbies
11-11-2005, 04:09 PM
who is responsible for bringing the kid into the world = parents

kids come into this world dunno anything, who responsible to teach = parents

so parents lah should be responsible.........easy what
(well, this is applicable to kids under voting age) ha ha :D

Ski
11-11-2005, 05:03 PM
I feel Orchipalar as given a fair account who should be punished in this incident.
Now it all depends on how this government is going to respond to this serious incident and not sweep it under the carpet. Here one innocent life as been lost for no reason. A severe punishment should be meted for all parties involved directly or indirectly as this would be good deterrent to other parents and and to unlicenced drivers.

dragonfly
11-11-2005, 09:32 PM
The victim in this case I think is 'mati katak'!.....unless he himself had insured his life.

orchipalar
11-11-2005, 10:28 PM
Err...few decades ago...as far back as Orchi could recall...from mid 60s...Dad would sometimes have no other choice...but to rent a different sort of available cars each time then...to take the family for balik kampong rituals...

Ahem...amongst those cars that were available back then...n whenever the stretches of roads would allow it with near-to-no-other-traffic-on-the-road conditions...Orchi started to 'get the feels of driving' behind the steering...whilst sitting on Dad's lap...

n ahem...he would allow Orchi to have "certain" control of the steering function...BUT with him having his feet working the pedals n stick-shifts...err...until such ages later...when Orchi grew longer enough hands n legs to work all of them...while still being largely underaged...he would allow Orchi to drive the cars whilst him having to sit besides Orchi as the navigator...until such time...when Orchi first obtained the "B,D,E" driving license(long n narrow slip of paper with hand written details)...at the age of 16+...n ahem...folks used to call this sorta license...as Kopi-O license...no driving course or test necessary...:o

Err...n those cars were...

Morris Minor 1000... (http://www.minormania.com/pics/original/photo_original_001.jpg)
Alfa Giulia 1.3L Super... (http://www.picture-newsletter.com/alfaromeo/alfa-romeo-museum-18_small.jpg)
Ford Cortina Mk II... (http://www.fordcortinamk2oc.co.uk/images/2001knebgt_jpg.jpg)
VolksWagon Beetle(Buggy) 1200... (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9c/Vw_beetle.jpg)
Ford Escort... (http://www.philseed.com/images/ford-escort71a.jpg)

Ski
13-11-2005, 07:39 AM
The conclusion is this: For as long as there are people carrying a death wish, no number of road safety campaigns and traffic operations will save them.

Deputy Inspector General of Police Datuk Seri Musa Hassan said too many road users continued to flout traffic rules as evidenced by the record number of summonses issued: 144,824 in the last 15 days.

"No amount of enforcement can prevent accidents from happening if motorists and motorcyclists do not change their mindset and start obeying traffic laws," he said at the Federal police headquarters in Bukit Aman today.

Musa presented the final accident and fatality figures for Ops Sikap IX which ended yesterday.

The operation, which began on Oct 27, set a record for the number of fatalities with 233 deaths recorded, surpassing the 200 deaths in Ops Sikap VII during last year’s Hari Raya Aidilfitri and 173 during Ops Sikap V in 2003.



Musa said their studies found that motorists continued to speed after getting off highways, where the speed limit is 110kph, and on to the 80kph trunk roads.

"They find it hard to adjust to the lower speed limit resulting in more fatal accidents on federal roads than on any other road," he said.

There were 141 fatalities involving motorcyclists and their pillion riders, 55 motorists or passengers, 17 pedestrians and 20 in other vehicles.

Motorcyclists below the age of 30 accounted for 60 per cent of fatalities.

Musa said most were under 16 and riding without a licence, contributing to the high death toll this year

Selangor had the highest number of accidents for the second consecutive year with 3,184 accidents, followed by Johor (1,713), Perak (1,392), Kuala Lumpur (1,345) and Penang (1,269).

Musa said the increase in accidents was due to a greater number of vehicles on the roads with an estimated 1.2 million to 1.8 million motorists and motorcyclists having travelled during this period.

End of this story. till the next ops sikap!!!

fedup
13-11-2005, 09:11 AM
for all readers who have school going children, let me put a question to you. How many times had you or your spouse left the engine & aircon on while waiting for school to be over? if you are one of them you have no right to live in any other country except in M'sia.it's so offensive that they will enjoy the aircon while the whole world have to suffer & that will be repeated when their children grows up. I did ask one parent once & I got hell for that. Nowadays i just stare & shake my head. long live m'sians Boleh :(

saml
13-11-2005, 10:40 AM
I don't get it. What is the difference between driving with the air con on and waiting with the air con on? You mean to say even if we wait 5 minutes for someone to pop into a shop to do errands,we have to switch off the engine of the car?

expat1609
13-11-2005, 01:42 PM
see fedup, "I DON'T GET IT", guess your shaking the head is all that can be done about it :eek:

expat1609
13-11-2005, 01:45 PM
who is responsible for bringing the kid into the world = parents

kids come into this world dunno anything, who responsible to teach = parents

so parents lah should be responsible.........easy what
(well, this is applicable to kids under voting age) ha ha :D

hmm, donno, is it parents or maids in the end :confused: :p

kwchang
14-11-2005, 12:32 AM
The discussion on car air-conds is off track.

Getting back on track, I salute Ski for highlighting the statement that motorists who get off the expressways still drive at expressway speeds on the old federal roads.

I believe that is the main reason for this bad state of affairs in the smaller federal roads. In the good old days when we did not have the PLUS highway, I would dare to suggest that perhaps we have less highway deaths. Nowadays, people are used to the dual carriage way of the expressways and they forget safety rules of driving on the old roads where traffic from different directions can collide head-on with no safety dividers. Yes, I think it is the stupid fellows that forget to adjust their driving style for the different road systems that is the cause of the deaths.

Teeque
14-11-2005, 03:36 AM
In law, it has always been established that it only punishes the guilty offender. The law doesnt punish the next of kin / parents / guardians of the offender, no matter what age the perpetrator may be. If he is underaged, he will be punishable under the Juvenile laws. But that said, Juvenile laws are sometimes inadequate in meting out punishments befitting the crime. But that is how the system works in the hope that the juvenile offender is given a second chance in his adult life and learn from it. And parents should also learn frm this episode and hopefully not let it repeat again, knowing that serious consequences await a repeat offender.

You may ask, how come then, the parent could allow their kids to drive without licenses? It is not that they allow but kids, being kids, hv always been adventurous and curious, and do things without the parents knowledge. But as highlighted here, some things hv been happening for ages, for eg. riding bikes without license, in the rural areas. But these happen because 1) out of necessity, eg. for work etc.; and 2) lack of enforcement. It could also be lack of education and information abt the dangers concerned to these poor rural folks. So now, the society and the authorities are also at fault here, for not enforcing the law and for not teaching these rural folks abt the dangers so that they can teach their kids.

It is like the corruption issue in our police force. If the lower ranked officers are corrupted, why arent the superiors punished? Or the head of the organisation, the IGP? Or the Home Ministry, of which the police force is under their perview? Which in our case, the Home Minister is also the PM, who is the No. 1 fighter against corruption in this country?! Why arent his officers corruption free and why is the PM not punished?

TonyChi
09-12-2005, 04:51 PM
How do we go about reporting a 'sicko' driver? I was driving along the Banting-Klang road at about 12 noon today when a prime mover (without the trailer for the container) was breathing down my 'arse'. I was not exactly going slow but he was the one rushing. The road was quite busy and I gave him the right to overtake. He was actually tail-gating every vehicle in front of him, scaring the '****' of every driver. I was observing all this 'going-on' and only manage to get the registration no BFS 4018 without knowing which co. owning it. Has a green cabin .
At one point, at the Teluk Panglima traffic junction, I could almost sense an accident about to happen as the traffic lights was not working. This 'sicko'
literally screech thro' without slowing down, and others stopping to allow this bully to go thro'. It's really surprising nothing happen. The last I saw this guy was heading towards Westport.
The thing is how do we make him realise he's a danger to others.Does the police bother to accept my report b'cos no accident happen? Anybody out there bother to follow up and nail this bastard? BFS 4018. If he wants to die , be my guest. But don't put others at risk.