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kudat
07-11-2005, 10:52 AM
saw this on BBC this morning...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4411810.stm

seems like Malaysia is THE centre for pirated CDs, VCDs, DVDs,

would we ever stop buying...??? :o :o

Ski
07-11-2005, 02:21 PM
Since the government is not doing anything about it, turning a blind eye. The tourisits are having a glorious time filling their gunnysacks with all these cheap stuff. Thats why Low Yat Plaza, Imbi Plaza, Sungei Plaza and Petaling Street are doing a roaring buisness with tourisits especially the Englishmen. So why complain.

Pirated stuff is a lucrative tourist buisness in Malaysia and these places are all in the tourisits books.
Who to stop them?

sirgalahad2010
07-11-2005, 03:38 PM
Just get Msia blacklisted by the likes of Microsoft and the MPAA and the govt will cry discrimination and colonialism!

Makes you wonder if the "brains" in the NEAC and the EPU and Kak Rafidah's ministry have looked at how Spore is pulling in high-tech investments by a clear and explicit adherence to IP (Intellectual Property) rights. Sad, isn't it?

Meanwhile, those 12 or more CD "factories" will go their merry way, churning out counterfeit software. music, movies & PORNOGRAPHY! In spite of reports being lodged more than 3 yrs ago, complete with forensic evidence, no action has been taken by the govt. (acc to a report in today's Singapore Business Times ). Wonder where the gravy train begins and ends?

kokomo
07-11-2005, 03:42 PM
I guess u forgot to mention bout Summit in USJ too .. their business is roaring but not from tourist la .. from the residents around here .. cheapest form of entertainment since almost everything is so expensive .. :D
To go watch movies wif gf / family or even wif friends .. 1 single ticket cost u .. $10 , can go buy from summit there, $40 for 6 DVDs ... not satisfied wif the quality of movie .. go bek and change them, that is wat i called service .. even now, the DVDs quality is jz as good .. u hv a good system at home .. dun need to go out for movies anymore .. :)

In a way, yes, we're supporting n encouraging them to produce more private cds but then again, from the begining the law is not even doing anything .. i would jz go for their service and their price is cheap man .. best part is if u're a regular person there ... got discount wan .. :D

Ski
07-11-2005, 04:02 PM
How can the government shut their operations sure MCA wiil complain..this is their rice bowl..so enjoy while it lasts friends :D

penangkia
07-11-2005, 10:37 PM
I wonder whether the US and the EU are paying any royalties to China for gunpower, ceramics, silk and kung fu. :p

sly
08-11-2005, 12:23 AM
how to buy original if here censor, there censor, everywhere censor censor.... :D

bslee
08-11-2005, 12:51 AM
Some of my comments.
1. Local distributors manufacture original albums and retail for a price approximately the same as one would buy in USA.
2. Audiophiles are usually in the opinion that locally pressed cd's are sonically inferior to imported ones from USA.
3. Irritating KHDN and RIM hologram/sticker stuck onto the cd liner insert, defacing the nice graphics. This is not implemented in USA or Europe.
4. By right, every new cd should be a factory sealed shrink wrapped copy, instead one will often see most opened to stick that damn hologram and repacked in a plastic re-sealable wrapper. Factory quality is often breached.
5.CD prices are priced higher than S'pore and some other Asian countries. Tower Records could be said to have the highest prices possibly.
6. A couple of audio cd importers taking advantage of importing quality discs and retailing it at inflated prices because the audiophiles have endorsed the quality. So its often that one sees some titles selling for way above RM100..cough! cough!..and the same thing is much cheaper across the causeway.
7. I bought a 20cd boxset for about 350 in Hong Kong and the same is retailing here for above 600...RIP off price by greedy importers!
8. R1 DVD titles retailing for RM100 over when in USA its like anything from US$10-20+.
DON'T convert!..dollar to dollar value!..(u know our exchange rate sux big time!)
We're like paying 10X!..if it was like 10-20 bucks here for original..the pirates will be out of business!.Same goes for Audio cd's. The item IS EXPENSIVE considering our average Malaysian income and wages.

9.Lousy selection of titles in most cd shops. Compilations after compilations are mostly available..and its getting worse as time goes by. :mad:

Local distributors ain't going to budge to lower media prices, which the'y'll gladly say it will rise further in future.
As for me..I'm never keen on buying local cd's, moreover if I see that damn hologram on the disc insert!. I'd rather buy online from USA where I'm assured of factory sealed quality. :D
At home we're supposed to be paying for quality even after price conversion,,and what quality do we get...ITS NOT THE SAME!. :mad:
If one goes to Low Yat and buy pc hardware, nearly all items are factory sealed for one's pleasure. Im irritated to see this is not practiced for audio cd's considering we're supposed to pay the premium price for a quality product.
Considering all the above points, I'd say thumbs up for the pirates and damn the local greedy distributors/importers!.. :D

sly
08-11-2005, 01:17 AM
very well said bslee....so next time when i feel guilty of buying any pirated goods...i will remember every single words u said here...what's the use of having the hologram sticker if a pirated 1 also have it? :confused:

kokomo
08-11-2005, 08:44 AM
how to buy original if here censor, there censor, everywhere censor censor.... :D

That is why ppl are buyin' pirated dvds, so much cheaper than best of all it ain't censored .. :D i guess if the government stop censoring so many scene in a movie .. ppl would still get those original cds .. eerrmm .. do anyone agree wif it? :rolleyes:

cactuc1
08-11-2005, 01:23 PM
True true ..correct correct..I agree i agree..Betul betul..

PJS
08-11-2005, 01:44 PM
I can't believe there r ppl who openly support PIRACY in usj.com!!!

If that is the norm in this country, and openly supported, why don't Proton just openly copy all the latest technologies from Mitsubishi, or better yet, copy from Daimler Chrysler or BMW and not pay a single cent of royalty for it, so that the rakyat can enjoy state of the art motoring without paying a high price???

And while we're at it, why don't we copy the work of our colleagues and submit it as our own report so that their hard work, sweat and blood will seem redundant to the employer and so they'll get fired by the boss and let their whole families go starving??

By buying pirated CD VCD, DVD, software, etc, you are feeding the thieves who are robbing the rightful income of the honest artists, scientists, researchers, engineers and those worked hard and who owned the intellectual properties.

USJ27Resident
08-11-2005, 01:59 PM
By buying pirated CD VCD, DVD, software, etc, you are feeding the thieves who are robbing the rightful income of the honest artists, scientists, researchers, engineers and those worked hard and who owned the intellectual properties.

Don't blame the consumers... blame the authorities - that don't have the will to implement proper & fair pricing for these discs & tapes. :(

If in China & Indonesia - they can sell originals made for local market, why can't they do it here.. and cheaper too.!

Buying pirated stuff - also allows the consumer to feed his/her family too.

Ski
08-11-2005, 02:39 PM
In this country the consumer has the prerogative how he wants to spend his money, its his choice ultimately, whether he wants to spend on pirated or duplicated, adulterated, imitations, smuggled or whatever the supplier can offer and if he finds it a good bargain so be it. If the government is not bothered why do we need to bang our heads :confused:

I go for quality and never support illicit stuff but i cant decide for others.

Firefly
08-11-2005, 04:07 PM
Excuse me here..Pirated stuff may be openly sold here. At least someone is making a living. In the land where all this comes from, it's being uploaded and swap around freely. It's not recorded in numbers as it's all just passed between friends to friends.

kokomo
08-11-2005, 04:13 PM
Well, the quality of a pirated cds are better than originals , how u expect consumer paying at a high price gettin' censored movies .. ?? this totally can't be compared to Proton cars or any other products ... it's so diff u know .. let's say if u change a proton parts wif imitation products .. it wares off faster than original ..
But what differences do u have in original cds ? Pirated cds last as long as a original cds too .. quality are better ... movies are not censored .. ;)
For example:- LOTR, i bought a copy from speedy video shop cost me around $70 and it's 3 hrs long .. wif some censored area ..
My friend bought a pirated version ... it's not censored and it only cost him $12 so which is worth it ?

Who is cheating who? :confused:
Can we really differenciate this ?

bslee
08-11-2005, 08:00 PM
Perhaps the only exception not to support pirates are for computer software. Developers have to eat!..and the gains are for further development and perfecting the software. :)

PJS
08-11-2005, 09:47 PM
We're talking about intellectual properties here. You can't compare it with common goods and merchandise like who made better roti canai, and who sell bigger and cheaper roti canai. :D

Even some car spare parts are also patented, and cannot be copied by any local parts manufacturers without paying royalty fees.

Patenting is to protect the IP(R&D and design) that goes into a product. Copyright works the same way, for music, movies, etc.

Some goes for IT software and processes. That is why some consultants charge a fee for the processes they developed so banks, factories, government departments, etc have to pay them premium fees to implement those processes and they can't just make copies of the flow charts and work instructions to use in their company.

Some major IT companies earn a big chunk of their income from IP, do u know that? If everyone infringe on their IP and not paying royalty, these companies will lose billions and shareholder & employees like some of us will lose out. Those caught infringing may end up pay millions in lawsuits.

If we are to become a developed nation, then we better start to learn how to respect intellectual property, it is not just any commodity that u can compare like which CD is cheaper with better quality. Even without enforcement, we shd not do the wrong thing. (Sound so familiar? So why shd we complain about repeat traffic offenders who flout the law and the lack of enforcement by the traffic authorities, while we openly support a different kind of unlawfulness which the G can't enforce???? Do we steal too, when no one is watching????)

Oh well, if the society in general does not understand what intellectual property is, what else can I say? :cool:

Wait another 20 years for the next generation to learn about IP in their university text books, shall we? (if this topic is ever included) I'm not going to bang my head over this, just want to highlight what IP is. :rolleyes:

btw, it'll also take 20 yrs to instill proper driving attitude and courtesy in the next generation too, if we start doing it now and doing it correctly.


Maybe someone shd start a poll...

"Do you think it is alright to buy pirated CDs"

or

"It is wrong to buy pirate CDs"

sly
08-11-2005, 10:38 PM
i guess somebody is losing the point......the point is i want to get what i buy...i dont want someone to temper with my cd...here censor...there censor...if it's a perfect movie i guess many ppl wouldnt mind paying the money...why blame the ppl? if we pay 40 bucks for an original cd? how come speeeeedyyy is selling those old movies for 9.90....and some movie is quite new...i also heard (it might be rumours but who cares) that there's also royalty/copyright problems with those 9.90 cd.....even if they're selling for 5 bucks per piece i wont bother to buy...i want my product free from censorship....and most of our censoring is bullsh!!t..... :D

yankeat
08-11-2005, 10:51 PM
10 years ago, it is understandable that they charge RM11.90 for a cassette & RM39.90 for a CD because of the high cost of producing CD. 10 years later now, with cost of CD cheaper than a cassette, they are still charging RM40 for a CD.

If the artists, producer & distributor can survive with RM14.90 by selling a cassette today, why can't they sell CD which is cheaper to manufacture at RM14.90???

PJS
08-11-2005, 11:06 PM
Sly

I got your point :D :D Not criticising personal choices here. But more of a social problem if this thing persists. Why has Malaysia become the largest exporter of pirate CDs in the world? Is it becoz of the Tidak Apa attitude?

I also hate those stupid censored videos and I hate paying the high prices. So I quit buying altogether lah! I'm not like most ppl who can't live without their favorite music or video. For me, don't hv what I want at the price I want, don't buy, period. It's easy for me! Listen to free radio stations or catch them on astro will do, sudah cukup. :p Me no saint either, but I know it is wrong so I try not to buy :p. Wonder if the gatekeepers in heaven consider this as a sin and bar most Malaysians from entering? :D

sly
08-11-2005, 11:18 PM
dear pjs....since we msian have car licences....the gate to heaven is alr closed for us..... :D anyway, no personal attack to ur opinion...i understand about the consequences of this software piracy...that is why i uses a mac...less software to buy... :D

PJS
08-11-2005, 11:19 PM
LOL, I better giv up my driving license liao! :D :D

orchipalar
08-11-2005, 11:20 PM
Err...the fact to the matter remains...when there is a buyer for cheap n easy source of CDs...there would certainly be MORE than one seller ready...n be willing to cut the deals...

Ahem...it's a time tested 'traditions'...err...counterfeit money n works of art etc etc...were the norm ANY days...n ages...:o

The whole freaking Made in Japan practiced 'copying' n then began churning out cheaper alternatives...err...even until these bluddy days...:o

The same could be said about Taiwan...HongKong...Korea...Singapore(yes even she is not spared...remember clone Apples n IBM compatible PCs or other electronic circuitry?)...n other developing countries in Asia or even other parts of the world...ahem...almost EVERYBODY could be doing it...:o

The worst can be authenticated...by hundreds of millions peoples whom are used to using Chinese products from China these days...

Err...now how the heck...the folks here in Malaysia wanna expect to see...that things would be done any differently here...?

Ahem...ya got cloned or faked notes...coins...CDs...tapes...books...clothes... toiletries...MYCARDs...Passports...credit cards...driving licenses...Degrees... sunglasses...lighters...watches...jewelry...liquor ...cigarettes...MEDICINES...footwears... leatherwears...CHINAs...pottery...art-effects... IMPLANTS ...toys ...tools...machinery...cookwares...vehicle spare-parts...electrical appliances...electronic devices...certificates...hardwares n softwares...n etc etc etc... :rolleyes:

Err...IF ya can name it...n ya want it...everybody has got it...to sell to you...:D

PJS
08-11-2005, 11:22 PM
Ahem...ya got cloned or faked notes...coins...CDs...tapes...books...clothes... toilettries...MYCARDs...Passports...credit cards...driving licenses... sunglasses...lighters...watches...jewelry...etc etc etc... :rolleyes:

Sins, Sins, Sins, Sins................ :rolleyes: :o


LOL :D

MKEL
08-11-2005, 11:43 PM
Agree with Orchi. If there's demand, there will be supply. It is more of personal opinion and decision on whether to buy pirated CDs.

Everyone has to bear their own consequences.

wAISEKMAo
09-11-2005, 12:02 AM
for you guys information. I know of a guy who stays in one of the penthouse apartment in USJ who also drive "4x4 porsche " ala Tun M. This guy owns a factory churning our CDs (can't tell whether it's ille or wat) in semenyih (the factory very secretive...very inside from the main road..ulu ulu 1).

wAISEKMAo
09-11-2005, 12:04 AM
Err...forget to add..

darn easy $$$$ man!

Cost less than a buck selling for...u know.

bslee
09-11-2005, 01:21 AM
10 years ago, it is understandable that they charge RM11.90 for a cassette & RM39.90 for a CD because of the high cost of producing CD. 10 years later now, with cost of CD cheaper than a cassette, they are still charging RM40 for a CD.


10 years ago?..I still remember when cd's first appeared in mid 80's, it was like RM31 on the average a pop. I was told that only 3-4 plants doing the manufacture, 1 in Japan, 2 in USA & 1 in Germany.
Now we have lots in Kepong, Jinjang, some in Cheras, maybe in Puchong, maybe in Kinlala or maybe JB!.. :D
Everyone is greedy nowadays lah, from the retailer to producer. I've known that a dealer stands to make at least RM10 from a retail RM40 audio cd. I know cos I've bought direct from distro at some quantity. The shop would probably give you a RM1 or 2 discount just to keep you happy!..
I'll say again, our exchange rate SUX!..and most consumer goods are tagged to US prices...its our bad fortune!.. :mad:
OT, the latest Sound Blaster X-Fi card now starts retailing at RM480 and above.. In USA..its an $100 item!..How enticing if its viewed as a RM100 item?

Some of my other observations.
Here, most "imported" audio cd's are sourced from Europe as can be seen on the back of the cd.
At times, a few selected cd's are imported from USA, easily recognized by a white barcode label on the top edge of the shrink wrap. Cd's sourced from elswhere do NOT have this barcode label. The "very popular" ones can be priced at RM 49 to mind boggling prices. Smart retailers stick an additional label "US import!" to entice!.

Where audio cd's are concerned, we're already at the cutting edge of digital technology. Its common knowledge that digital files all have a checksum and can be duplicated easily for mass production. I just can't see the logic as to why there's differences in music tracks if one compares 3 different discs of the same album..1 from USA, 1 from Europe and 1 made in Malaysia. Why the difference?..even to the extent that one of them could be inferior in quality!.
Beats me!. If its true you're shortchanged!.

You folks may have come across some attactive audio cd from China that's has a high quality package..especially of upcoming Chinese & a fair selection of western artists.. BEWARE!..I hold the belief that these are high quality fakes and it even has the KHDN/RIM hologram stickers on it. A giveaway is the bar code!..ISBN xxxxx.xxxx. ISBN is book code and audio cd's are NOT to use this barcode. You may find these at places like Speedy or Popular Bookstores. Some are even classified as "audiophile" titles.
I understand they are very,very cheap in China but yet sold for a premium price right here in Malaysia..so possibly yielding a very high profit for the importers. Its a blatant case of fakes legitimitely on sale and passed off as originals!.

Teeque
09-11-2005, 02:26 AM
There is a reason why Malaysia is the largest exporter/distributor for pirated (or bootleg as the Mat Sallehs called it) CDs. Simply because there is demand from these overseas markets, not only locally. And do you think that the Western consumers do not respect IP? They do. But in a capitalistic market, low prices rules. Of course you dont find these bootleg CDs/DVDs in the mainstream music/dvd stores. Its on the Internet, selling as the real stuff. And becos our Buatan Malaysia pirated CDs/DVDs are so good in quality, they never knew the difference. At last count, if not mistaken, our pirated CD industry is worth upwards of $1bil.

Locally, these same 'pirate' manufacturers distributes it to both the pirate networks and also the legal retail networks. Ofcos, the legal retail version has been censored 'according to CB guidelines'. Because of their easy accessibility to original and copyrighted materials, they can churn out the latest music compilations faster than the record labels and the compilations comprised of mixed artistes frm the various record stables without dispute. So, since the pirated CDs and ori CDs actually came frm the same manufacturer, then why not 'consume' pirated ones when its cheaper, uncensored and quality is as good.

When my learned Mat Salleh friends visits Malaysia, they will make a beeline straight to these pirated goods (CDs/DVDs, watches, apparels, leather goods). Their take? "You guys are too damn good in making these! And its so damn cheap! Err, what abt IP? "The h#@k with IP and copyrights. I cant get it back home this cheap anyways. I'm a consumer spending tourist dollars here, helping your local economy, and I am just following the universal Laws of Economics!" :cool:

cactuc1
09-11-2005, 02:26 AM
i believe malaysia government very powerful one..

If they want to close all the pirated shops they can do it one..Eg similiar action..Close all arcades long time ago(except in entertainment centre in shopping centres) , close all the fireworks factories..just like that..

But u see the(govern) are not doing in seriously...only periodically , then they (pirate) mushroom back ah...Only take actions when rape case go up...MAS airline porn in newspaper...USA protests(software )...then normal back..

So as long as Government like tat...pirated items also like tat oh.

Teeque
09-11-2005, 02:42 AM
i believe malaysia government very powerful one..

...So as long as Government like tat...pirated items also like tat oh.

Well, do u know who sits on the Board of some of these CD producers/manufacturing companies? Boy, they are very very powderful ppl sitting there u know... :rolleyes:

cactuc1
09-11-2005, 02:48 AM
Well, do u know who sits on the Board of some of these CD producers/manufacturing companies? Boy, they are very very powderful ppl sitting there u know... :rolleyes:

Can give egs..so we know ah..and can said "Hi" to then :D

Teeque
09-11-2005, 05:44 AM
Erm...I just can say...

'Every breath you take, I'll be watching you...' ;) :D

kudat
09-11-2005, 07:46 AM
for a long time now, i resisted buying pirated VCDs and CDs, until cannot tahan. I have seen the prices of similar goods overseas, (Australia, USA etc). The price of VCDs in USA is not exactly cheap, but the choices are there.... whatever tickle your fancies can be found

some time ago, if i remember correctly, there was proposed a ceiling price on CDs and VCDs? did prices ever come down? i dont think so......

a fren i know of in Europe 'orders' his VCDs from a pasar malam seller over the net and have them delivered by DHL!!

why would the illegal 'outlets' stop operation when demand is ever there???

kress
09-11-2005, 09:00 AM
i believe malaysia government very powerful one..

If they want to close all the pirated shops they can do it one..Eg similiar action..Close all arcades long time ago(except in entertainment centre in shopping centres) , close all the fireworks factories..just like that..

But u see the(govern) are not doing in seriously...only periodically , then they (pirate) mushroom back ah...Only take actions when rape case go up...MAS airline porn in newspaper...USA protests(software )...then normal back..

So as long as Government like tat...pirated items also like tat oh.

there was a show on tv or was it the newspaper that interviewed this gangster. They asked him who controls everything in the country and the guy said the gomen lar. if gomen wanted to crack down on everything, then he said cannot cari makan wan.

GreyShadow
09-11-2005, 09:00 AM
for your info... those so called "Original, Imported from Taiwan/China" J-Drama, K-Drama, T-Drama series you saw selling in major CD shops like Speedy, Tower record & etc... those even with a KHDN/RIM hologram sticker.
Then it should be original right? Well.... it's NOT! :mad:
Those are actually pirated version sold there in Taiwan or China. Our "Importer" just simply "imported" the pirated material and declare it as "Original", and our "Clever" custom officer will just sign & chop as Original. Then our "Importer" will just stick a KHDN/RIM hologram on the pirated material and turn it into "Original" and sell it with a premium price. Well... no so premium lar... but still consider a lot cheaper than those REAL Original.

Wonder how those J-drama just finished showing in Japan TV today, and next week you'll see it selling on the shelf of some major retailer... with the KHDN/RIM hologram, "Origina" somemore... :x :rolleyes:

Ski
09-11-2005, 09:33 AM
All this pirated stuff is going to remain for a long time if you like it or not cos its lucrative and gives rise to corruption, buisness and profiterring.

DatinLawa
09-11-2005, 09:45 AM
I can't believe there r ppl who openly support PIRACY in usj.com!!!

If that is the norm in this country, and openly supported, why don't Proton just openly copy all the latest technologies from Mitsubishi, or better yet, copy from Daimler Chrysler or BMW and not pay a single cent of royalty for it, so that the rakyat can enjoy state of the art motoring without paying a high price???

And while we're at it, why don't we copy the work of our colleagues and submit it as our own report so that their hard work, sweat and blood will seem redundant to the employer and so they'll get fired by the boss and let their whole families go starving??

By buying pirated CD VCD, DVD, software, etc, you are feeding the thieves who are robbing the rightful income of the honest artists, scientists, researchers, engineers and those worked hard and who owned the intellectual properties.

If Frodon is capable of copying whatever technology from whoever, why are they still producing lousy quality cars till today (i am a proud owner of Frodon car given no choice 5 years ago)? They can't even fix a simple stupid plastic compartment that can't be closed properly (or may be it's just mere bad luck for all 4 Frodon cars in my house). This IP issue has nothing to do with Frodon's cars, and we ARE paying high prices for our own Frodon cars compared to those sold in foreign countries, not because we are paying the cost of IP but to feed a few fat and rich owners of Frodon... Simply, it's not because of IP that Frodon is producing low quality cars but no sense of achieving excellency in their products. They are happy so long everyone in there are making good money, who cares about us, the buyers? So no comparison to pirated CDs.

With due respects to artists, performers, researchers, or whoever... they are not the ones making big bucks from millions of copies sold but the producers, or should I say the IP owners?? And where did the pirated CDs producers get their original copy (before showing in anywhere) from?? They are all the same people behind all these. And if you watch the news you will notice to produce such volumn of pirated CDs you will need big machines etc, and not just hidding in your own little house, using your own little burner, driving your own little car to transport the CDs to various locations. So are they invisible in any sense?? Why are they still having great fun and making big bucks producing all these "openly"??

Yes, we shouldn't support IP infringement, and we should all pay the summons on time. Guess who's the winner??

We definitely are not paying a fair price to original CDs. We should just accumulate all summons and wait for them to annouce a discount for all long overdue summons. Am not saying you should be a bad citizen, but hey, when you see the bad ones are being rewarded, how many of the good ones will remain good willingly? That's the sad way of living for us, the Malaysians.

There are too many things to be done.

But I am still happy in my own way.

orchipalar
09-11-2005, 10:03 AM
Err...so is it safe to assume that....when the ORI copies become more affordable...ahem...consumers would have a better alternative to exercise their moral obligations n duties...? :)

Err...until then...it's still FREE for ALL!...or Royal Rumble!? :D

hudson chia
09-11-2005, 10:26 AM
Folks, no need to discuss further, in Australia or Europe or America, you follow the rules,"cos they give back what they received in the form of fine infrastructure, good governance and fair opportunity. Just look at the Local Council's handling of the Food Court ( Polis land issue ) etc. and you will know why we don't buy original CD and VCD. In fact if we support the pirates, there will be less snatch thieves, break ins and robberies. It is a social problem which I am sorry to state my opinion and judging from the frequent crimes reported daily in the papers the authorities have their hands full.

Why should we buy a nice house in the award wining housing estate and pay assesment and have to do night watch ? The way I look at it even in small town it is not safe and therefore the best available option is to obtain immediate result is to make your own decision to uplift those unfortunate jobless who pry on the pirated VCD and CD and prehaps the neighbourhood gets less crimes.

PJS
09-11-2005, 11:55 AM
Ok, so this is the picture I get ...... ;)

Scenario 1) Big CD producer based in some backwater town licensed to produce 10,000 Jennifer Lopez CD which sells for RM45 in Tower Records. At the same time, they print 100,000 copies of pirated CD and sell in pasar malam, PS boutique, and mail order overseas for RM10 a piece. Everybody happy, right? Consumers buy cheap CD, workers who otherwise would turn to crime get paid legitimately, someone somewhere gets paid off very well for keeping mum, etc, etc.

Scenario 2) Big National car maker in Tanjung Malam is licensed to produce 200 WV Phaeton(their flagship model) and after completing the 200 units gleaming, luxurious limosine selling at RM450K each(cheaper CKD price mah! :D), they continue to build another 20,000 exact copies NOT licensed by WV (pirate version :D) and sell at RM100K. These cars would be snatched up in an instant. Everbody happy, cheap luxury car everyone can afford, workers stay employed, executives get fat paychecks, dealers laughing all the way to the bank, someone gets paid off like a King for covering up(heck, they'll get paid more than a King), etc, etc.

Only thing is,
1) involves a rather small, insignificant piece of shiny plastic(or polycarbonate?), easily concealed, covered up, sweep under the carpet, so it is a thriving business :D
2) is too big lah, how to conceal, can't hide from the whole world lah... aiseh, the guy who is going to take big payoffs to cover it up is no David Blaine, so no can do! :D

Only in mareysia, BOLEH!

hihihihihi :D What a screwed up world we live in. But I'm also happy in my own little corner, for the time being. :)

penangkia
09-11-2005, 12:38 PM
When the buying stops, the killing can too,
When the screwing stops, the prostituting can too.
When the viewing stops, the acting can too.
When the gweilo buying stops, the pertaling street bargaining can too.
When the profiteering stops, the high pricing can too
When the censoring stops, the copying can too.
When the lubricating stops, the selling can too.

When ASTRO shows New and Better Uncensored MOVIES without Bahasa Sub Titles in the Middle of the freaking Screen, the buying of FAKES can too.

DatinLawa
09-11-2005, 02:00 PM
well said penangkia, well said.

aimless
09-11-2005, 02:55 PM
i agree that as long as this freakin gomen plays moral police with us and censors every freaking thing, there will continue to be a huge demand for pirated DVDs. Because, even if i would like to support the purchase of original DVDs, it is a TOTAL WASTE OF MONEY if it is censored. I am not getting what i am paying for. THE SAME GOES FOR ASTRO. WE ARE NOT GETTING WHAT WE ARE PAYING FOR!

Ski
09-11-2005, 03:08 PM
Hi
I think is thread is getting boring full of repetitious views..its getting us nowhere...round and round the mulberry bush with no solutions. :(

Tq

kudat
09-11-2005, 04:18 PM
perhaps we should all declare it here, personally, (albeit in the secrecy of our usernames!!) whether

1. we will stop purchasing pirated CDs/VCDs or
2. we will continue to purchase come what may.....

: :)

bslee
09-11-2005, 08:08 PM
Hi
I think is thread is getting boring full of repetitious views..its getting us nowhere...round and round the mulberry bush with no solutions. :(
Tq
Well well friend!..as usual its like kopitiam chit chat!..chat till the cows come home.
Don't think its going to make create waves or change anything much..This is bolehland!...life still goes on and business as usual!! :D

sly
09-11-2005, 10:28 PM
Hi
I think is thread is getting boring full of repetitious views..its getting us nowhere...round and round the mulberry bush with no solutions. :(

Tq

dear ski, what do u expect to happen even if we have super great views? :D even if we, rakyat malaysia, showed up (this is with actions and not only talks) together with some of the big shots that we can get, it might also get us nowhere.... :D eg. where the police stations that is suppose to be build? :confused:

cactuc1
10-11-2005, 05:26 AM
Maybe can set a Poll here..So members can vote..Here can set Poll ah? How?

bslee
14-11-2005, 06:28 PM
My final say on the issue.
Should piracy be eradicated from this land..I believe the record companies and its distributors will have all the turf to themselves and be at will to dictate future prices or any beneficial marketing strategies deemed fit to their posperity. Prices WILL go up..take it or leave it! Prices have NEVER gone down except for "ta' laku or throw away stock" titles and albums.
I believe they're making good use of the government manpower and authority to help them in their crusade. Our government will not gain much except for appreciation of piracy eradication and enforcement, not forgetting it does cost $$ for manpower deployment in those raids. I wonder if the record companies pay for the services rendered...if not, its surely tax payer's money funding it.

Lastly, I DON'T condone or support piracy at any level but I hold a big grudge at the way local record companies are short changing the consumer like me with their obscene prices and current practices.

clfoo
14-11-2005, 07:49 PM
is this encouraging?

http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailfeatures.asp?fileid=20051114.P02&irec=1

Ski
14-11-2005, 08:12 PM
Hi All

Anyway i am not interested in any cds if you have any vinyl{LPs} that you dont want... I want please.
TQ

bslee
15-11-2005, 03:05 AM
Hi All

Anyway i am not interested in any cds if you have any vinyl{LPs} that you dont want... I want please.
TQ

Ahh I see!.. you should haunt Amcorp Mall every Sunday! lots of gems to be found!. Even then..its can be expensive unlike when it first started off..which I got most of mine for Rm10 and very much less!. :D
BTW, I've seen some vinyl fakes too! Fanfare, Deer!..etc.. :D

Ski
15-11-2005, 01:06 PM
Ahh I see!.. you should haunt Amcorp Mall every Sunday! lots of gems to be found!. Even then..its can be expensive unlike when it first started off..which I got most of mine for Rm10 and very much less!. :D
BTW, I've seen some vinyl fakes too! Fanfare, Deer!..etc.. :D

Hi
I am there almost every Sunday looking for kakis to exchange records. The vinyl sold there are unnecessarily expensive. I have already a collection of 6000 records and still searching for somemore.. want to exchange records of the 80s not my cup of tea. All my cds have been discarded.

Cheerz

bslee
15-11-2005, 02:23 PM
Hi
I have already a collection of 6000 records and still searching for somemore.. want to exchange records of the 80s not my cup of tea. All my cds have been discarded.
Cheerz

Wow!..you could one of the few like Mr Chan Mun Kit, boss of InterGlobal Music reckoned here to have the largest collection of vinyl, including rare ones..Well, he's an importer and distributor..ideal opportunity!..
I'm already facing a storage space problem (not to mention her barking about it!) on my 1xxx + cd's.
6k+ vinyls do take up lots of storage space..something I currently don't have the luxury, even place for my old faithful turntable for that matter.

I'm there too..most Sunday's unless some other destination is on my mind..maybe we could have bumped into each other without knowing,..as I've noticed quite a few familiar and regular faces there.. :D

Ski
15-11-2005, 02:39 PM
Hi BHLee
I hope to meet you over teh tarik oneday at Amcorp and dicuss music and hifi.
Btw you are a Diy expert yourself I used to read your threads on one on the local diy webs.. Do you still give your views.?

I am very fortunare to have a room for music and records and spend my most of my time there.

bslee
15-11-2005, 02:55 PM
Hi BHLee
I hope to meet you over teh tarik oneday at Amcorp and dicuss music and hifi.
Btw you are a Diy expert yourself I used to read your threads on one on the local diy webs.. Do you still give your views.?
I am very fortunare to have a room for music and records and spend my most of my time there.

Sure man!..luv that!..next Sunday then (unless something else turns up!)
016-3431850 is the number!.
Yep! you're lucky to have dedicated room..seemingly far fetched in my own home at the present time..which could give me thorough enjoyment from my humble system. ;)

wAISEKMAo
15-11-2005, 03:10 PM
We're talking about intellectual properties here. You can't compare it with common goods and merchandise like who made better roti canai, and who sell bigger and cheaper roti canai. :D

Even some car spare parts are also patented, and cannot be copied by any local parts manufacturers without paying royalty fees.

Patenting is to protect the IP(R&D and design) that goes into a product. Copyright works the same way, for music, movies, etc.

Some goes for IT software and processes. That is why some consultants charge a fee for the processes they developed so banks, factories, government departments, etc have to pay them premium fees to implement those processes and they can't just make copies of the flow charts and work instructions to use in their company.

Some major IT companies earn a big chunk of their income from IP, do u know that? If everyone infringe on their IP and not paying royalty, these companies will lose billions and shareholder & employees like some of us will lose out. Those caught infringing may end up pay millions in lawsuits.

If we are to become a developed nation, then we better start to learn how to respect intellectual property, it is not just any commodity that u can compare like which CD is cheaper with better quality. Even without enforcement, we shd not do the wrong thing. (Sound so familiar? So why shd we complain about repeat traffic offenders who flout the law and the lack of enforcement by the traffic authorities, while we openly support a different kind of unlawfulness which the G can't enforce???? Do we steal too, when no one is watching????)

Oh well, if the society in general does not understand what intellectual property is, what else can I say? :cool:

Wait another 20 years for the next generation to learn about IP in their university text books, shall we? (if this topic is ever included) I'm not going to bang my head over this, just want to highlight what IP is. :rolleyes:

btw, it'll also take 20 yrs to instill proper driving attitude and courtesy in the next generation too, if we start doing it now and doing it correctly.


Maybe someone shd start a poll...

"Do you think it is alright to buy pirated CDs"

or

"It is wrong to buy pirate CDs"

Put it this way :-

If you make millions and millions out of it, then you will say " it is not alright to buy pirated CDs".

If you make ends meet, then you will say "it is alright to buy pirated CDs as it is cheaper and I can afford it".

Both are correct.

What's in my mind is HOW much a premium the Intellectual property charges and WHEN is it going to end. In another words, as a IP Holder how much do you make if enough? 100% ? 1000% ? 10000 %?

That is why in internet, some of the things which not suppose to command a premium are now free.

I do believe the price of come of the item (with Patent and IP) are not suppose to be sky high. Somebody must be making billions from the poor quietly.

Ski
15-11-2005, 03:16 PM
Sure man!..luv that!..next Sunday then (unless something else turns up!)
016-3431850 is the number!.
Yep! you're lucky to have dedicated room..seemingly far fetched in my own home at the present time..which could give me thorough enjoyment from my humble system. ;)


Thanks, saved your no, will call you in advance if going.

Cheerz

PJS
15-11-2005, 03:28 PM
I don't believe it is alright to buy pirated CD or software even if u are poor or not enough money.

Like I said, there is something wrong with the attitude of this society which condones piracy to such an extent. How can we eradicate this problem and move to an INTELLECTUAL or K(nowledge)-economy from a backwater manufacturing economy??? That's why, it is easier to PRINT PIRATED CDs (manufacture) vs CREATE (Intellectual)a compilation of desirable musical pieces millions across the globe would love to buy a copy, isn't it?

Intellectual property is the backbone of K-economy, without an appropriate protection of KNOWLEDGE, no one will be interested in building a knowledge based economy here... looks at software giants, would they setup research centers in Cyberjaya? No, not for most of the major ones. They found a hotbed for development in IRELAND, where IP is respected and the culture is conducive to research and development!

Is it because some of local population is educated by a bunch of PIRATES disguised as an education institution, that they hv the wrong concept of Piracy? (see other thread started by Dr. J. George) Students in some of these institutions are encouraged by their lecturers to BLATANTLY photcopy copyrighted text books, copy softwares etc, that they are conditioned to think it is ok to copy, with the excuse that "I have no money to buy so it is okay to copy". See the parallel to this mentality "I have no money for roadtax & insurance, no money to renew license, so it is alright for me to drive without insurance, without license, until I have the money"???

Hello, people, you have to stop associating PIRACY with consumerism. If the prices are too high, solve it through consumer channels, not via PIRACY!

I quit buying expensive original music CDs in Malaysia, in fact, my hobby in music died a natural death since I returned to bolehland. So what???
No money, no HOBBY LAH!!!

If want to complain about high prices, take it up with the appropriate channels! Not through PIRACY!

I wonder if my message gets through to ONE single soul at all after all these discussions?

I'm outta here. :mad:

bslee
15-11-2005, 03:36 PM
If want to complain about high prices, take it up with the appropriate channels! Not through PIRACY!


You're absolutely right as a matter of principle! No doubt!.

BUT!.. the appropriate parties involved are ARROGANT and DEAF!.. :mad:
Look how they arrogantly fought back the proposed ceiling prices suggested by the government?..no compromise either and the matter has since died off a natural death!.

Ski
15-11-2005, 03:44 PM
Hi PJS

Some ppl dont mind compromising for quality so anything will do as long its cheap..what to do thats Malaysian mindset and mentality. You alone cant fight this crusade.

kyan :)
20-11-2005, 03:25 PM
Hi PJS

Some ppl dont mind compromising for quality so anything will do as long its cheap..what to do thats Malaysian mindset and mentality. You alone cant fight this crusade.

agreee..they might just consider placing te price at the range of 10-15 or even 20 that stops piracy 4eva cz ppl will put real consideration..if cheaper ori-cd=no piracy=more buyers...more buyers so sure untung so put high-highprice wad

same goes to proton issue..ish dun they think...

layman
20-11-2005, 03:47 PM
Don't blame the consumers... blame the authorities - that don't have the will to implement proper & fair pricing for these discs & tapes. :(

If in China & Indonesia - they can sell originals made for local market, why can't they do it here.. and cheaper too.!

Buying pirated stuff - also allows the consumer to feed his/her family too.

in china the original CD is only 7.5ringgit
pirated CD's faces stiff competition


with prices within the reach of the masses Pirated CD's is not a popular alternative

SunwayKid
21-11-2005, 01:04 PM
in china the original CD is only 7.5ringgit
pirated CD's faces stiff competition


with prices within the reach of the masses Pirated CD's is not a popular alternative

So it's original, ya? Next time, I buy cukup cukup. What about the DVDs?

I was a bit skeptical, paying RMB13 (RM6.50) each for the audiophile CD, even though it got all those hologram on it. Besides, don't want to be stopped at KLIA for importing pirated stuff.

Maybe someone in the industry can enlighten the bolehlanders why our locally pressed CDs cost RM39.90, and that is when there is a promotion. Obviously, someone is making lots of money or our cost of production is astronomical.

yankeat
21-11-2005, 01:14 PM
I have an idea. We can buy original casettes at RM14.90 each, then we backup it into CD (backup is allowed as long as we have the original cassette, rite?) and viola...!! we legally owned the song in a CD.

ksaravanan
21-11-2005, 07:12 PM
I have an idea. We can buy original casettes at RM14.90 each, then we backup it into CD (backup is allowed as long as we have the original cassette, rite?) and viola...!! we legally owned the song in a CD.

But it will not give you the actual CD quality sound... :)

Just my 2 sen

kevin23
03-12-2005, 01:39 AM
i know its wrong to buy pirated VCDs or DVDs,but hey! this is the real world!! everybody is fighting to stay alive,the prices of everything has increased except our salary..so as long as there are pirated vcd peddlers out there,there will alwayz b ppl buying and nobody can stop them...hehe,in fact i own alot of pirated DVDs,saves me lotza cash..imagine buying original VCDs for double the pirated DVDs price and watching a 90 minute show instead of 100 minutes??? sounds fair?? malaysia bole! :D

kevin23
03-12-2005, 01:43 AM
Maybe someone in the industry can enlighten the bolehlanders why our locally pressed CDs cost RM39.90, and that is when there is a promotion. Obviously, someone is making lots of money or our cost of production is astronomical.

mayb because therez alot of money involved,have to pay taxes to this n this,have to pay for the producing rights,have to pay for the artises salary,the hologram sticker and whole lot of other bull**** which could be prevented if not for some greedy minister/s in the music industry