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JackRyan1975
07-11-2005, 09:46 AM
Anyone here takes multivitamins or any other supplements? What brands do you find good and which to avoid? I'd personally avoid Kordel's as I find it very heaty.

monster
07-11-2005, 11:40 AM
i take Vit C everyday (almost :D ).... 1000mg Blackmores...

mon
07-11-2005, 11:46 AM
i take Vit C everyday (almost :D ).... 1000mg Blackmores...

Hey, Blackmores Bio C for me too. I take the evening primrose and fish oil as well..

Jack, you must consume more water. Plain water, at least 8 glasses a day. Then perhaps you wouldn't feel so 'heaty' after taking all those vits..You could go to any pharmacy and usually, any pharmacist would be more than willing to give you a lengthy comparison on the brands available and price etc...

Ski
07-11-2005, 01:37 PM
I dont touch them.. for me a variety of fresh fruits, vegetables, nuts and a Guinness keeps the doctor at bay. To me supplements wont make me feel better but i know it would make a big hole in my pocket. ;)

Nature has provided us with some good stuff..go for it for better life.

in
07-11-2005, 02:01 PM
Me too.... Never touch them. 3 reasons. Firstly, its expensive. Secondly, I tak kuasa to everyday take one pill, I will get lazy after a few days. Thirdly, I notice people get dependent on the pills, they either get sick when they stop taking the pills or they 'feel weak' or something or other if they don't take.

This is just my opinion. I'm not saying all these multi-vits and stuff are not good for you.....

Amanda85
07-11-2005, 03:18 PM
actually we healthy human doesn't need any supplement.....
vitamin n supplement are only for those who is in bad health condition n there body physiology couldn't function properly....

if a healthy man consume this kind of product....it will just transform into urine and being flush away....

kokomo
07-11-2005, 03:25 PM
Well, i got lotsa supplements in my hse .. but then again after sometime, certain days i forget to take them .. and certain days come i feel lazy taking them that day .. and so on .. hardly i consume it .. :D

Since eatin' in m'sia is part of our bad habit .. i think we should jz take fat burner / dunno wat slimming pills .. haha .. :eek:

How can we not hv bad health condition looking at wat we enjoy eating nowadays , pollution of air n water .. :rolleyes: i guess that's why tis health supplements co. are making a lot of money from us huh ... :eek:

sueosh
07-11-2005, 05:45 PM
I take Nutrilite for more than 10 years liau. I find I get sick less often and if I do, it's not so severe or for so long. Actually I use not to believe in it too. But I found out that we need 5 servings of fruits/veg of at least 5 diff colours to fulfill our body's needs.
I don't know bout you but I'm too busy to meet that requirement. And it's adds up to the same price too. Throw in some tasty pesticides. You get my idea. I'm not against fresh fruits & veg but can we truly say the ones we eat are not affected one way or another?

Pets=Friends
07-11-2005, 05:54 PM
One of my friends have actually recommended that I try Dome or Yomeshiu. Suppose to give me more vitality. Any satisfied consumers here?

EdRoZeN
07-11-2005, 06:01 PM
actually we healthy human doesn't need any supplement.....
vitamin n supplement are only for those who is in bad health condition n there body physiology couldn't function properly....

if a healthy man consume this kind of product....it will just transform into urine and being flush away....

My teacher said also the same thing as you, except she said that dont take Vit.C with water.

I watched from TV that humans actually only need 30mg of Vit.C a day, not like the 1000mg you take :D:D:D

Nevertheless, I still take the 250mg ones sometimes.

JackRyan1975
07-11-2005, 06:08 PM
My teacher said also the same thing as you, except she said that dont take Vit.C with water.

Any reason why not? :o

EdRoZeN
07-11-2005, 06:16 PM
Well, i don't really agree with her, but she said Vit.C is soluble in water, and it dissolves in water and is eventually passed out as urine. Maybe i have to consult my biology teacher. LOL

PianoMan
07-11-2005, 06:43 PM
Just drink a glass of wine a day and you'll be fine.

Ski
07-11-2005, 07:01 PM
Just drink a glass of wine a day and you'll be fine.


Cheerz mate just got a few Merlots from "Herbs & Food' some good offers ;)

EdRoZeN
08-11-2005, 12:04 AM
Just drink a glass of wine a day and you'll be fine.

Wine is good i think, just not in excess :D:D

Just want to tell you all beer contains silicon, and silicon helps to build tough bones. Those beer drinkers do have tough bone structures. :)

patrick
08-11-2005, 12:25 AM
I have been on food supplements for as long as I can remember. When I was small, it was always Vykmin. Then it was other kinds of multivitamins. Then it was Nutrilite. Now, I am still on Vitamin C, Spirulina, Neem and honey. That's my secret!! My C is from Blackmore, Spirulina and Neem from Total Health concept and Honey from all over! Mainly Australia and Camerons.

Ski
08-11-2005, 07:41 AM
Before you pop in the pill remember apples are good for your brain.
Apples are high in quercetin, a compound with antioxidant properties that may decrease the risk of neurodegenerative conditions such as Alzheimer's by protecting brain cell membranes. Quercetin has an even higher antioxidant capacity than vitamin C, studies suggest. Other ways to get your fill: tea, onions, and cranberries.

RealAge Benefit: Eating a diverse diet that includes 4 servings of fruit per day can make your RealAge as much as 4 years younger.

orchipalar
08-11-2005, 09:19 AM
Anyone here takes multivitamins or any other supplements? What brands do you find good and which to avoid? I'd personally avoid Kordel's as I find it very heaty.

Err...lika what Ski:) said...all the daily supply of vitamins n minerals that one would need...exist in the food that they consume...err...or that of what they should consume from natural sources n balanced diets...ahem...either in fresh or in cooked preparations...

Err...all the rest are just freaking gimmicks to exploit(exploitasi?) the 'choosy-ness'(Sp?) or 'preference' or 'taste' or 'likings' of the 'educated' consumers these days...

For an example...ALL known Western Medical Science ...could swear n recommend that the simple...easy to get...n certainly dirt cheap n fresh GARLIC is BEST for... (http://www.thenutritionreporter.com/garlic.html)lowering of cholesterol, prevent dangerous blood clots, reduce blood pressure, prevent cancer, and protect against bacterial and fungal infections...

BUT still...there are so many folks that DO NOT like the raw smell n pungent taste of it(Exploit #1)...or they do NOT like the 'inconvenience'(Exploit #2)...err...so how?

They PAY a lot more to get the expensive substitute in tablets form...which may NOT offer the same benefits as compared with the natural n fresh ones...or these folks...just simply refrained themselves from eating any of it....:rolleyes:

Ahem...it's funny how folks who get to live to the ripe old ages...even over 100years...had NEVER need or heard of the words...vitamins or food supplements...

Err...but then again n to begin with...what the heck Orchi knows...? :D

kokomo
08-11-2005, 09:41 AM
One of my friends have actually recommended that I try Dome or Yomeshiu. Suppose to give me more vitality. Any satisfied consumers here?

Dome is good but then can't really take it often cos it's very very sweet. End up can cause diabetic ... :eek:
I used to sneak a few sips from my mom's DOME. :D

Ski
08-11-2005, 09:55 AM
Dome is good but then can't really take it often cos it's very very sweet. End up can cause diabetic ... :eek:
I used to sneak a few sips from my mom's DOME. :D

Hi
I think you meant Dom

Bénédictine D.O.M.
A brandy-based liqueur flavoured with a secret herb formula created by Bénédictine monks of France and Spain. Usually it helps to make you perky and warm good for the elderlies.

kokomo
08-11-2005, 10:48 AM
Oppss .. thanks for the correction ski .. :o

mon
08-11-2005, 10:55 AM
Hi
I think you meant Dom

Bénédictine D.O.M.
A brandy-based liqueur flavoured with a secret herb formula created by Bénédictine monks of France and Spain. Usually it helps to make you perky and warm good for the elderlies.

Yah, my mum says this is good stuff..:p still keeping a bottle here but have forgotten all about it until now. Good to take before bedtime.. :)

kokomo
08-11-2005, 11:02 AM
Yah, my mum says this is good stuff..:p still keeping a bottle here but have forgotten all about it until now. Good to take before bedtime.. :)

U sure the bottle still got some DOM left ar? or is it expired already? :D I think mine has been thrown .. :rolleyes:

EdRoZeN
08-11-2005, 11:46 AM
Dome is good but then can't really take it often cos it's very very sweet. End up can cause diabetic ... :eek:
I used to sneak a few sips from my mom's DOME. :D

About Diabetes:

A lot of people tend to think excess sugar intake can cause diabetes. THAT IS VERY VERY WRONG.

Diabetes is actually caused by an insuffient hormone called Insulin. This hormone converts excess glucose to glycogen.

The lack of this hormone will cause excess glucose to be in your blood stream, and when this blood is processed in the kidney, the kidney is unable to retrieve all of the glucose back into the blood. Therefore, making diabetic people's urine sweet.

That is why doctors prescript you with insulin tablets if your diabetic.

By right, if you have enough of this hormone, you dont have to care how much sugar you take in. :D

orchipalar
08-11-2005, 11:55 AM
About Diabetes:
A lot of people tend to think excess sugar intake can cause diabetes. THAT IS VERY VERY WRONG.
By right, if you have enough of this hormone, you dont have to care how much sugar you take in. :D

Err...dear EdRoZeN:)...Orchi ain't no medical expert...but believes that...insulin is produced from own normal body digestive function...to 'breakdown' normal glucose contents found in normal food intake...

The body would NOT produce more of it...to digest any EXCESS intake of glucose...

The body might however 'fail' to produce enough of it...to digest any intake of glucose...

Hence...the good doc...would NORMALLY advice that folks take in NO access of glucose than what the body should normally requires...err...so please stay off the excess sugar... :confused:

EdRoZeN
08-11-2005, 12:11 PM
Err...dear EdRoZeN:)...Orchi ain't no medical expert...but believes that...insulin is produced from own normal body digestive function...to 'breakdown' normal glucose contents found in normal food intake...

The body would NOT produce more of it...to digest any ACCESS intake of glucose...

The body might however 'fail' to produce enough of it...to digest any intake of glucose...

Hence...the good doc...would NORMALLY advice that folks take in NO access of glucose than what the body should normally requires...err...so please stay off the access sugar... :confused:

Orochi. No offense :D

Hormone is not an enzyme, therefore it doesnt digest glucose. And why should it digest glucose? Glucose is the main sugar used by our bodies to produce energy.

After a meal, your the sugar level in your body tend to rise. This is where Insulin kicks in. It converts the excess sugar from what you ate, to glycogen, which is stored in the adipose tissue under the skin(you can also call it fat:)).

This is to make sure that your blood does not get too sweet, underwise it will affect the living cells in your body.

If the gland, which is in the liver, fail to produce enough of this Insulin, the glucose content in your blood increases, and all the problems come. :(

If you are a healthy person, the gland should not fail you :D

PS: Diabetes is suspected to be linked to genes.

orchipalar
08-11-2005, 12:28 PM
Orochi. No offense :D

Hormone is not an enzyme, therefore it doesnt digest glucose. And why should it digest glucose? Glucose is the main sugar used by our bodies to produce energy.

After a meal, your the sugar level in your body tend to rise. This is where Insulin kicks in. It converts the excess sugar from what you ate, to glycogen, which is stored in the adipose tissue under the skin(you can also call it fat:)).

This is to make sure that your blood does not get too sweet, underwise it will affect the living cells in your body.

If the gland, which is in the liver, fail to produce enough of this Insulin, the glucose content in your blood increases, and all the problems come. :(

If you are a healthy person, the gland should not fail you :D

PS: Diabetes is suspected to be linked to genes.

Err...aiya...made some 'access' n tewible spelling mistakes...should be 'excess'...n wrong choice of the word 'digest'...should be 'breakdown'...:)

But thought the pancreas 'produce' the insulin... :confused:

n thought excessive intake of sugar...n unhealthy lifestyle would cause diabetes...lika being overweight from overeating n lack of exercise...:confused:

EdRoZeN
08-11-2005, 12:33 PM
Err...aiya...made some 'access' n tewible spelling mistakes...should be 'excess'...n wrong choice of the word 'digest'...should be 'breakdown'...:)

But thought the pancreas 'produce' the insulin... :confused:

n thought excessive intake of sugar...n unhealthy lifestyle would cause diabetes...lika being overweight from overeating n lack of exercise...:confused:

Actually Orochi, you are right about Pancreas producing, and i must correct myself. Pancreas produce Insulin yes, but where glucose is converted is at the liver. :D:D

Glucose is not broken down, but used in respiration.

Excessive intake of sugar won't cause diabetes(if it causes, new year all the cookes and cakes would injure us by now :)). But Diabetes is suspected to be linked to genes, it could be your father/mother that have it and there is chance that it is passed down.:(:(:(

orchipalar
08-11-2005, 12:42 PM
Actually Orochi, you are right about Pancreas producing, and i must correct myself. Pancreas produce Insulin yes, but where glucose is converted is at the liver. :D:D

Glucose is not broken down, but used in respiration.

Excessive intake of sugar won't cause diabetes(if it causes, new year all the cookes and cakes would injure us by now :)). But Diabetes is suspected to be linked to genes, it could be your father/mother that have it and there is chance that it is passed down.:(:(:(

Err...TQ EdroZeN:)...should that be true...would it mean that...parents who developed diabetes at later ages...would then have it in their genes...n should not have anymore children...for fear that it might be passed down?:confused:

OR...would it mean that...once ya got the diabetic genes from the parents...whether or not ya have it at all...the 'bad' genes would also be passed down to your future generations?:confused:

EdRoZeN
08-11-2005, 12:57 PM
Err...TQ EdroZeN:)...should that be true...would it mean that...parents who developed diabetes at later ages...would then have it in their genes...n should not have anymore children...for fear that it might be passed down?:confused:

OR...would it mean that...once ya got the diabetic genes from the parents...whether or not ya have it at all...the 'bad' genes would also be passed down to your future generations?:confused:

First of all, no problem, Orochi. Thank you for correcting my mistakes.

Assume that the diabetes is passed down by genes.

Parents that have it in later stages, there is naturally a chance that diabetes will be passed down, and the children one have can be a potential carrier of diabetes, either with no diabetic genes at all, or can be a diabetic person

Actually it all depends on the Parents' genes.

It is very hard to determine whether you are a potential carrier, because you don't know whether the diabetic gene is inside you. Potential carrier of the diabetic genes actually dont suffer from diabetes.

But if you do have the "bad" genes(Potential carrier is included), it will be passed down to your children by a percentage. Just like when you have kids, the chances of getting a boy is 50%, the same as a girl. In the diabetic case, It have to depend whether you are heterozygous/homozygous genes.

Chim aint it? :D

Ski
08-11-2005, 02:00 PM
Laughter is mother of all medicine..you can find heaps of it in this forum..go ahead and have a laugh. ;)

orchipalar
08-11-2005, 02:12 PM
First of all, no problem, Orochi. Thank you for correcting my mistakes.

Assume that the diabetes is passed down by genes.

Parents that have it in later stages, there is naturally a chance that diabetes will be passed down, and the children one have can be a potential carrier of diabetes, either with no diabetic genes at all, or can be a diabetic person

Actually it all depends on the Parents' genes.

It is very hard to determine whether you are a potential carrier, because you don't know whether the diabetic gene is inside you. Potential carrier of the diabetic genes actually dont suffer from diabetes.

But if you do have the "bad" genes(Potential carrier is included), it will be passed down to your children by a percentage. Just like when you have kids, the chances of getting a boy is 50%, the same as a girl. In the diabetic case, It have to depend whether you are heterozygous/homozygous genes.

Chim aint it? :D

Err...arso!...but how does Orchi know...whether or not...Orchi might carry these diabetic genes...err...is there a medical test that can be determined by the doctors?:confused:

Err...how about diabetic folks...what would be the normal recommended treatment or medication...prescribed by the doctors...?

Err...how about if there is any side-effects from taking those medications...would it render a diabetic person to be weaker in anyway?

Err...could the person resume active working n personal life during the treatment?

Ahem...err...how about the sex life?...would it be affected after getting diabetes...?

Err...how about diabetic foot...would the wounds heal well? :confused:

Err...is there any herbal supplements that the diabetic folks could take...to treat the illness?

Heard there are leaves or plants with herbal benefits to treat diabetes...how is these effective? :confused:

Err...would having high BP cause the person to become diabetic as well?

JackRyan1975
08-11-2005, 02:12 PM
Excessive intake of sugar won't cause diabetes(if it causes, new year all the cookes and cakes would injure us by now :)).

Going by your assertion, is it safe to say that the govt's "Kurangkan Gula" campaign a few yrs back was misguided? If yes, was it then a plot to reduce the wealth of Malaysia's richest man? :D

EdRoZeN
08-11-2005, 02:36 PM
Err...arso!...but how does Orchi know...whether or not...Orchi might carry these diabetic genes...err...is there a medical test that can be determined by the doctors?:confused:

Err...how about diabetic folks...what would be the normal recommended treatment or medication...prescribed by the doctors...?

Err...how about if there is any side-effects from taking those medications...would it render a diabetic person to be weaker in anyway?

Err...could the person resume active working n personal life during the treatment?

Ahem...err...how about the sex life?...would it be affected after getting diabetes...?

Err...how about diabetic foot...would the wounds heal well? :confused:

Err...is there any herbal supplements that the diabetic folks could take...to treat the illness?

Heard there are leaves or plants with herbal benefits to treat diabetes...how is these effective? :confused:

Err...would having high BP cause the person to become diabetic as well?

WOW Orochi, so many questions so little time :D

Well, i haven't heard of any ways for scientists to know whether you are a carrier or anything, but 1 very nonsensical way to to produce many many children and see the ratio of the children that have and don't. that can determine your geneotype(but of course, you have to make sure your wife is not diabetic nor carrier).

First, if you are diabetic, you have to have a small machine with you to test the amount of glucose in your blood, i think its called.. blood strip regulator or something, can't remember. It is to tell you whether you exceeded the normal glucose level. If you did, then its time to take the prescription of Insulin tablets, prescipted by your doctor just for you. Diabetes is caused by lack of Insulin, thats why they give you Insulin tablets.

Insulin tablets wont make you weaker but only regulate the amount of glucose in your blood. I don't think there's any side effects from it.:)

Of course you can resume your active and working life after you take those medication, but the stressful thing is that you have to monitor what you take, make sure its not full of sugar, and make sure that your glucose level is normal.

Sex life, i don't think so. lol :D

Diabetic foot is actually because of the blood being too sweet, and water leaves the cells of the foot, leaving the cells dead(you will feel your foot actually numb), then it becomes purple. Ants will come because its sweet.Once the cells are dead, there's nothing much you can do. It will rot and the doctor will tell you to amputate it. But then, if proper medication is applied, there's no worries.

Until now there is no cure for Diabetes, therefore there is no treatment for diabetic people, but to only take tablets. But scientists are closing in on a cure, that is transforming cells from the spleen to insulin-producing cells.

Well, if western medicine doesn't not have a cure, i don't know whether some herbs or plants could cure diabetes. :D

BP and diabetes are 2 different things. Man i talk too much :D:D:D

orchipalar
08-11-2005, 09:51 PM
Err...found this article published in the internet...n perhaps it may be helpful to those that may be concerned...whether or not...they need to take any vitamins or supplements...:)

Vitamin - Mineral Supplements - Are They Necessary?

We need many essential vitamins and minerals every day. Each vitamin and mineral has a specific role in the body, and all the vitamins and minerals are necessary for good health. But…is more better? Who needs to take supplements? Are there negative effects if vitamins and minerals are taken in very high doses? Well, here's the scoop.

The general healthy population does not need vitamin and mineral supplements. Supplements can be taken as pills, powders and liquids. These are not necessary to achieve or maintain good health. The best way to achieve health and get all essential nutrients is by eating a diet containing a variety of foods. A diet that includes grain products, vegetables and fruit, as well as low-fat dairy products and meat and alternatives will provide a person with all of the vitamins and minerals they need for their body to work well.

Who Should Use Supplements?
Supplements may be required by certain groups of people who have special dietary concerns. Strict vegetarians may need a supplement containing vitamins B12, vitamin D, iron, calcium, and zinc if no animal products (milk, meats, eggs, cheeses) are eaten. Individuals with specific food allergies may also need a supplement. For example, someone with a milk allergy or who is lactose intolerant will likely need a calcium supplement. Women of childbearing age need to take a supplement containing 0.4 mg of folic acid together with a diet rich in foods containing folate to prevent birth defects. Pregnant women may need to take a prenatal multi-vitamin supplement if nutritional intake is inadequate. Older adults may also need a multi-vitamin supplement if a poor diet is consumed or if they are unable to eat certain foods. Individuals recovering from surgery or who have specific medical conditions may require a vitamin and mineral supplement to aid in recovery.

Side Effects
Taking unnecessary supplements can upset the body's nutrient balance and may even interfere with the absorption of other nutrients. For example, supplements with extremely high calcium can interfere with the body's absorption of iron, zinc, and manganese. Taking too much zinc can interfere with iron and copper absorption. Some vitamins, such as vitamins A, D, E, & K, can build up in the body's tissues and cause illness when they are taken in high amounts in a supplement.

Benefits of Food
Foods have many benefits that supplements do not have. One big advantage of relying on foods rather than supplements is the body absorbs nutrients best from foods. Vitamins and minerals in food are naturally balanced in a way that allows easy absorption and use by the body. Another advantage is, in addition to vitamins and minerals, foods contain many other valuable substances. For example, some foods contain fibre, which helps prevent certain types of cancer. Bacterial culture in yogurt helps keep the bowels in good working order. Although some of these things can be taken as a supplement, foods have a good balance of all essential nutrients that work together to support overall good health.

If you think you need a vitamin and mineral supplement, ask your Dietitian or physician. If you would like more information on vitamin and mineral supplements or any nutrition topic, contact the Leeds, Grenville & Lanark District Health Unit at 1-800-660-5853 and ask to speak to a Registered Dietitian. Or visit our website at www.healthunit.org.

By Dianne Oickle, RD, MSc
Registered Dietitian
Leeds, Grenville & Lanark District Health Unit

http://www.healthunit.org/nutrition/consumer/vitamin.htm

orchipalar
08-11-2005, 11:58 PM
Err...how many forumer/parents that we got in here...who would have 'grave' problems...to persuade their otherwise 'normal' children(without certain medical conditions) to take their vegetables?...or to finish their servings of fresh n healthy cooked or prepared foodstuffs??

Err...n instead they would go ALL out to spend hundreds n hundreds of bucks...each time to stock up their kitchen or fridge drawers with the so called Vitamins or minerals supplements...for their 'normal' kids??? :confused:

jessi24
09-11-2005, 02:01 AM
For veggie to retain the enzymes and vitamins, it has to be eaten raw and without salt. Once it touches salt, can say bye bye to enzymes. How many actually is willing to eat like a cow? :D So far I have only seen a few of my mom's friends eating raw organic veggie uncooked due to doctor's orders for health reasons. Yucks! My neighbour who is a surgeon and wife a head nurse, who eats raw organic veggie, does not even buy salt(don't know how they cook meat :eek: ). Drinks gallons of pure veggie and fruits juices blended by ownself. Steamed meat, no frying, no cooking which uses a lot of oil. For those who eat like them, you will definately not need additional food suppliments or vitamins or what not.

Ski
09-11-2005, 07:43 AM
Music affects your heart rate and breathing, so tune in to relaxation by choosing your mood music carefully.
When you want to wind down, music with a slow, steady rhythm helps slow down breathing and heart rate, inducing a state of calm. The opposite is true of quick tempo music. Set the mood for stress reduction or sleep by tuning in to easy, mellow melodies.

Benefit: Taking care of your emotional health and well-being can make your RealAge up to 16 years younger.

Go and find your old cds/cassetes of the60s/ 70s and spin them tonite

EdRoZeN
09-11-2005, 01:46 PM
For veggie to retain the enzymes and vitamins, it has to be eaten raw and without salt. Once it touches salt, can say bye bye to enzymes. How many actually is willing to eat like a cow? :D So far I have only seen a few of my mom's friends eating raw organic veggie uncooked due to doctor's orders for health reasons. Yucks! My neighbour who is a surgeon and wife a head nurse, who eats raw organic veggie, does not even buy salt(don't know how they cook meat :eek: ). Drinks gallons of pure veggie and fruits juices blended by ownself. Steamed meat, no frying, no cooking which uses a lot of oil. For those who eat like them, you will definately not need additional food suppliments or vitamins or what not.

Going "oil-free" is definitely going to be a problem. Our body require some fat for Vitamin E, so oil-free is a bit drastic. hmmm :D

clfoo
09-11-2005, 03:22 PM
The best way to achieve health and get all essential nutrients is by eating a diet containing a variety of foods. A diet that includes grain products, vegetables and fruit, as well as low-fat dairy products and meat and alternatives will provide a person with all of the vitamins and minerals they need for their body to work well.

the keyword here i guess is balance nutrition, how many of us really can maintain that in our daily food intake? We tend to eat what we like more and ignore what we dislike ... nutrition values in the food also very much depend on how the food is cooked.. so personally i think supplement can be the next best option ...


http://www.nutritional-medicine.net/

orchipalar
09-11-2005, 03:34 PM
We tend to eat what we like more and ignore what we dislike ...

Err...dear CLFoo:)...this is called Exploit #1... :D

JackRyan1975
09-11-2005, 03:43 PM
Those that do not believe in taking supplements are assuming an ideal food intake every day, and ideally cooked meals that retains all nutritional value at that. For this group of people, well and fine.

But for some others who may not have the priviledge of balanced meals may have to resort to supplements, both for replacing forgoed nutrition (e.g. fish oil for lack of fish intake) and extras for countering undesirable elements ingested (e.g. antioxidants against free radicals). Some also takes vit B complex to reduce stress, one which I can attest to.

Ultimately, it's a matter of choice of course.

sueosh
11-11-2005, 03:50 PM
I find that I can't agree with certain statements that have been made. These are my points. Pls correct me if I'm wrong.

Statement 1
If a healthy man consume this kind of product....it will just transform into urine and being flush away....

1. I think defining a healthy man/woman these days is pretty subjective. Some people may look fit, but they sure aren’t healthy. A nutritionist told me that his neighbour is the head of emergency at SMJC. These days, she’s seeing more fit looking 30-35 year old dying of heart attacks.
Truth is, the body will absorb what it needs and flush excess away. If it doesn’t it becomes toxic. Then again, everything in excess will become like that. Important thing is to consume the right amount for your age, gender, and lifestyle.

Statement 2
Vitamin n supplement are only for those who is in bad health condition n there body physiology couldn't function properly....

2. I have to disagree with that. You don’t wait till the damage is done to repair your body. You build immunity and maintain it to prevent developing diseases.

Statement 3
dont take Vit.C with water. Vit.C is soluble in water, and it dissolves in water and is eventually passed out as urine

3. Vit C is supposed to be water soluble. Like I said, if it’s not you’re in trouble. In fact, all vit and supplements are supposed to be water soluble. Our body is made of 60% water right? How else to dissolve and absorb it?

Statement 4
I watched from TV that humans actually only need 30mg of Vit.C a day, not like the 1000mg

4. Like I said, the grammage you need depends on your gender, age, lifestyle needs and your life stages like if you’re pregnant. And the type of Vit C plays an important role too. Whether it’s synthetic or natural. Natural Vit C has longer effectiveness.

Statement 5
Ahem...it's funny how folks who get to live to the ripe old ages...even over 100years...had NEVER need or heard of the words...vitamins or food supplements...

5. I both agree and disagree. Agree cos last time, there was also no such thing as fast food, canned food and processed food. So everything was natural. But there was also a lot of diseases and sicknesses cos folks in certain areas weren’t getting everything they need. Those lucky few who lived to a ripe old age, some is actually bcos of genetics and other reasons. And actually, even science itself hasn't been able to explain why even though some has been smoking every day!

JackRyan1975
11-11-2005, 03:56 PM
3. Vit C is supposed to be water soluble. Like I said, if it’s not you’re in trouble. In fact, all vit and supplements are supposed to be water soluble. Our body is made of 60% water right? How else to dissolve and absorb it?

Some very good points, sueosh. But I wish to correct the above: vitamins A, D, E and K are not water-soluble. The dissolve in lipid (oil) and are absorbed as such in the intestines. And our body is made up of 80% water or more, definitely not as little as 60%. Hope that helps.

sueosh
11-11-2005, 04:19 PM
My apologies, thanks for correcting me JackRyan1975.

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orchipalar
11-11-2005, 04:27 PM
Statement 5
Ahem...it's funny how folks who get to live to the ripe old ages...even over 100years...had NEVER need or heard of the words...vitamins or food supplements...

5. I both agree and disagree. Agree cos last time, there was also no such thing as fast food, canned food and processed food. So everything was natural. But there was also a lot of diseases and sicknesses cos folks in certain areas weren’t getting everything they need. Those lucky few who lived to a ripe old age, some is actually bcos of genetics and other reasons. And actually, even science itself hasn't been able to explain why even though some has been smoking every day!

Err...Yes dear SueOsh:)...those days they got no refrigerators to keep their fresh n prepared foodstuffs...so most food were consumed...n the remaining food...were recooked or preserved for their next meals...n some scraps were not wasted too...they were fed to their livestocks...

Err...n yes they don't have canned food or processed food to eat...first n foremost they could NOT have afforded them...n secondly they know until today...that these types of foodstuffs...are NOT healthy...:)

Err...the fruits n vegetables that they eat were mostly own "home grown" or those that grew in the wild...the fishes were caught in the nearby rivers or sea...n meat supply were also mostly from own livestocks...so...there were NO contact whatsoever with the HARMFUL...pesticides...insecticides... herbicides...growth hormones...immunization medications...etc etc..

Err...the water that they drink...was NOT from the contaminated tap n so called "treated" water...they could drink home made filtered(mostly sand n charcoal) water from natural rains...streams n wells...

Err...they never get to eat Fast Foods...candies...chocolates...n junk foods...etc etc

Err...they drink fresh rice wine...n toddy...instead of cognac...whisky...or beer...

Ahem...they take traditional medicines or seek treatment from Sin Seh(s)...or Bomoh(s) for some more serious illness...n most of the times...they take only so called "asporo" for their occasional headaches...

Err...they brush their teeth with salt or charcoal...n they use the same bar of soap(999) for washing their clothes n take their daily baths...near a well or in a stream...

Err...for minor cuts n wounds...they would apply something called "369" powder(disinfectant?)...or apply herbal leaves grown in the wild...or traditional oilments...

They woke up early to start the day's works...n they were very physical as they had to work their land for crops n livestocks...n got the harvest to exchange for cash vouchers...or barter their produce for other daily necessities...that they themselves do NOT grow or produce...

Err...n MOST of all...they NEVER heard of vitamins n minerals supplements...n actually they didn't get sick as much...as they got much better immune systems in their blood...n they got less stressed out lifestyle(kerosene lights out by 20:30 at night)...n they were definitely MORE PRODUCTIVE...cos they get more time to make more babies...whom were mostly NEVER born outside of their own homes...let alone be in some fancy airconditioned maternity hospitals...

Ahem...BTW...infact most of them that had multiple sex partners...they NEVER got to worry about the freaking DEADLY HIVs...n AIDS...

Ahem...sorry for the slight digress...BUT those were the days...:D:D:D

EdRoZeN
11-11-2005, 09:49 PM
Statement 5
Ahem...it's funny how folks who get to live to the ripe old ages...even over 100years...had NEVER need or heard of the words...vitamins or food supplements...

5. I both agree and disagree. Agree cos last time, there was also no such thing as fast food, canned food and processed food. So everything was natural. But there was also a lot of diseases and sicknesses cos folks in certain areas weren’t getting everything they need. Those lucky few who lived to a ripe old age, some is actually bcos of genetics and other reasons. And actually, even science itself hasn't been able to explain why even though some has been smoking every day!

Err...Yes dear SueOsh:)...those days they got no refrigerators to keep their fresh n prepared foodstuffs...so most food were consumed...n the remaining food...were recooked or preserved for their next meals...n some scraps were not wasted too...they were fed to their livestocks...

Err...n yes they don't have canned food or processed food to eat...first n foremost they could NOT have afforded them...n secondly they know until today...that these types of foodstuffs...are NOT healthy...:)

Err...the fruits n vegetables that they eat were mostly own "home grown" or those that grew in the wild...the fishes were caught in the nearby rivers or sea...n meat supply were also mostly from own livestocks...so...there were NO contact whatsoever with the HARMFUL...pesticides...insecticides... herbicides...growth hormones...immunization medications...etc etc..

Err...the water that they drink...was NOT from the contaminated tap n so called "treated" water...they could drink home made filtered(mostly sand n charcoal) water from natural rains...streams n wells...

Err...they never get to eat Fast Foods...candies...chocolates...n junk foods...etc etc

Err...they drink fresh rice wine...n toddy...instead of cognac...whisky...or beer...

Ahem...they take traditional medicines or seek treatment from Sin Seh(s)...or Bomoh(s) for some more serious illness...n most of the times...they take only so called "asporo" for their occasional headaches...

Err...they brush their teeth with salt or charcoal...n they use the same bar of soap(999) for washing their clothes n take their daily baths...near a well or in a stream...

Err...for minor cuts n wounds...they would apply something called "369" powder(disinfectant?)...or apply herbal leaves grown in the wild...or traditional oilments...

They woke up early to start the day's works...n they were very physical as they had to work their land for crops n livestocks...n got the harvest to exchange for cash vouchers...or barter their produce for other daily necessities...that they themselves do NOT grow or produce...

Err...n MOST of all...they NEVER heard of vitamins n minerals supplements...n actually they didn't get sick as much...as they got much better immune systems in their blood...n they got less stressed out lifestyle(kerosene lights out by 20:30 at night)...n they were definitely MORE PRODUCTIVE...cos they get more time to make more babies...whom were mostly NEVER born outside of their own homes...let alone be in some fancy airconditioned maternity hospitals...

Ahem...BTW...infact most of them that had multiple sex partners...they NEVER got to worry about the freaking DEADLY HIVs...n AIDS...

Ahem...sorry for the slight digress...BUT those were the days...:D:D:D

You want more? :D:D:D

Go read this month's National Geographic Magazine. They mentioned why those people live to a ripe old age of 100+. The magazine mentioned their daily lifestyles and etc.

Bigjoe
12-11-2005, 10:21 AM
In Singapore a brand called USANA is rated number 1 in US formulated by cellular scientists. Its a pharmaceutical grade product so its thoroughly tested with cell culture over long period of time which means it not only will not cause harm, its proven to be work on a cellular level. I heard its coming to Malaysia soon. Anyone interested should contact usana1sg@yahoo.com or 012-3270573.

EdRoZeN
12-11-2005, 04:31 PM
In Singapore a brand called USANA is rated number 1 in US formulated by cellular scientists. Its a pharmaceutical grade product so its thoroughly tested with cell culture over long period of time which means it not only will not cause harm, its proven to be work on a cellular level. I heard its coming to Malaysia soon. Anyone interested should contact usana1sg@yahoo.com or 012-3270573.

I've never heard of this product, and they don't have their own domain?

jessi24
13-11-2005, 04:18 AM
My kiddo and my daily supplement :

Very expensive but no choice....my kiddo has asthma and has problems sleeping at night.

Seabuckthorn Berry and seed Oil

patrick
13-11-2005, 11:12 PM
My kiddo and my daily supplement :

Very expensive but no choice....my kiddo has asthma and has problems sleeping at night.

Seabuckthorn Berry and seed Oil

Perhaps you should consider getting for your kids a sharp air purifier? Not sure if it helps. Maybe you want to ask this on the thread about "Air Purifier"? Rgds.

chewps
14-11-2005, 12:10 AM
My kiddo and my daily supplement :

Very expensive but no choice....my kiddo has asthma and has problems sleeping at night.

Seabuckthorn Berry and seed Oil

jessi24, respond posted in the thread air purifier.
:)

Bigjoe
16-11-2005, 02:04 PM
I've never heard of this product, and they don't have their own domain?

The website www.usana.com, singapore site is www.sg.uisana.com

For those who may be interested it was recently ranked No.5 in Forbes best small company and No.10 by Businessweek hot growth company. They have been in these ranking for several years now. Also ranked no 1 in UTAH best supplement company (Utah is center of health supplement manufacturing in North America because of favourable laws, environment and government support).

Again, suggest you contact 012-3270573 for info

adriene
16-11-2005, 09:00 PM
Laughter is mother of all medicine..you can find heaps of it in this forum..go ahead and have a laugh. ;)


physical affection also helps. touch strengthens the immune system.

orchipalar
17-11-2005, 12:13 AM
physical affection also helps. touch strengthens the immune system.
Err...touch promotes blood circulation... :D

Bigjoe
19-11-2005, 10:50 AM
Heard of Free Radicals?

Who say free things are good? Free radicals are certainly not.

What Are Free Radicals?
Our bodies use the oxygen we breathe to burn carbohydrates to produce energy. However, this normal oxidation process creates highly reactive chemical compounds called free radicals. Free radicals are highly reactive and may attack important body compounds like DNA, enzymes and fats. Free radicals are continously generated in the cells through the normal body metabolism. Cigarette smoke, air pollution, alcohol and ultraviolet sunlight are all external sources which can also generate free radicals.

How To Fight Against Free Radicals?
Antioxidants! Yes! Our bodies have antioxidants, natural chemical defenses against free radical attacks. These antioxidants act by trappings deactivating and destroying free radicals and preventing the damage they may cause. Principal antioxidants – Vitamin C and E.

How Do Antioxidants Help?
Antioxidant vitamins act as scavengers of free radicals. Although they work as a team to inhibit free radical activity, each kind of antioxidant focuses on different parts of the cell. Vitamin E protects the unsaturated fatty acids located in the cell membrane. Vitamin C protects the blood and liquid interior of the cell from free radical attack.

PJS
20-11-2005, 01:14 AM
Read what Quackwatch has to say about antioxidants...

http://www.quackwatch.org/03HealthPromotion/antioxidants.html


"The Bottom Line
There is widespread scientific agreement that eating adequate amounts of fruits and vegetables can help lower the incidence of cardiovascular disease and certain cancers. With respect to antioxidants and other phytochemicals, the key question is whether supplementation has been proven to do more good than harm. So far, the answer is no, which is why the FDA will not permit any of these substances to be labeled or marketed with claims that they can prevent disease."

I know of something that is claimed to produce even more fantastic results for immune system than any vitamins or health supplements but I ain't plugging any products here... hehehe :p

chanwsy
20-11-2005, 09:21 AM
Err...for minor cuts n wounds...they would apply something
called "369" powder(disinfectant?)...or apply herbal leaves grown in the wild...or traditional oilments...

.. Err, I think, you mean "693" as I remembered when we were young, my mother used this powder for every little cuts and bruises and it is every effective - no need to see doctor or apply antiboitic cream. Do not know whether it is still in the market or is it obsolete. "369" is the nickname for 'mata mata ' as popularised in the cantonese movie - 72 Tenants.

orchipalar
20-11-2005, 11:33 AM
Err...for minor cuts n wounds...they would apply something powder(disinfectant?)...or apply herbal leaves grown in the wild...or traditional oilments...

.. Err, I think, you mean "693" as I remembered when we were young, my mother used this powder for every little cuts and bruises and it is every effective - no need to see doctor or apply antiboitic cream. Do not know whether it is still in the market or is it obsolete. "369" is the nickname for 'mata mata ' as popularised in the cantonese movie - 72 Tenants.
Err...dear ChanSY:)...you are right on the dot...thanks for the correction n reminder :)

Err...if not mistaken...it came in form of a pill(with an inscription of "693")...once crushed in powder form...it is then applied on the cuts n wounds...err...n it was also commonly used to stuff...into the tooth cavity to relief toothaches too... :)

Bigjoe
21-11-2005, 11:06 AM
Note the following about all articles

1) The idea of free radicals, oxidation and anti-oxidantion effect is clearly scientifically proven
2) What is not proven is that taking specific supplements can reverse the effect on its own.

Supplements are not drugs. They are as the say diet supplement i.e., the idea that a proper diet is absolutely the first and most critical element to preventing modern generative disease. That is why the recomendation on proper diet.

Companies like Usana which recognizes that most people diet is not anywhere close to the proper level of anti-oxidant and minerals mainly sells a basic package of essential anti-oxidants and minerals. It basically design a daily dose that gives the average person the proper level of diet it should be taking to maintain healthy cells. It does not recommend taking any single supplement without addressing the basic package of a healthy daily regiment first because it recognize that its largely useless.

Our body and cells are complex and hence finding a single solution to problems of the body is actually very difficult. We all know that taking modern medicines like anti-bodies while it cures the disease, actually also changes the body too although without significant detrimental effect. So the idea that taking a single supplement or a couple could target specific problems of the body is just wishful modern layman thinking.

Taking health supplement is more like a punishment for our industrialization and modern way of life. We make assumptions that our modern industrialized way of food production, convenience food products and unhealthy life style are perfectly fine since there is no adverse effect in any single one of them. However taking the whole total system into account, we know that its incredible deficient compared to historical diet and lifestyle. Deficient in minerals, fibers and anti-oxidants and with adverse effect like smoking, alcohol and high-cholesterol food. Ask any doctor and they will tell you that 99% of their patient diet is just not good enough.

All scientific evidence says that there is no prove that any single or a couple of supplements have direct effect. Not a single research have said that its absolutely useless to take supplement because its also difficult to prove too. what is constant and kept repeated is the message of taking a proper diet with proper mineral, anti-oxidants and fiber. Every doctor and scientist that are critical of health supplement company claims themselves take supplement because the claims may be exagerated but the need of proper diet is not.

http://www.usana.com/en/company/story/story_3.shtml