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uchangeng
03-11-2005, 07:42 PM
During the Japanese occupation of Malaya, the then Johor Menteri Besar was one Ungku Aziz. History tells us that the YB Ungku obeyed the Japanese and earned the wrath of the then Sultan Ibrahim. After the war, the sultan refused to forgive Ungku Aziz.

Is this Ungku Aziz and the ex-VC of University Malaya, Professor Diraja Ungku Aziz, the same person ?

My impression is that the Professor Diraja is a brilliant academician who has done a good job in the early days of MU.

uchangeng
04-11-2005, 09:23 PM
Nobody knows this? Isa Rahim, you have any idea? Pls don't tell me go ask the Ungku.

penangkia
04-11-2005, 09:27 PM
Why don't you ask the Johor Sultan? :D

isarahim
05-11-2005, 07:10 PM
Why don't you ask the Johor Sultan? :D

:D :D You'd get beaten up!

isarahim
05-11-2005, 07:13 PM
My impression is that the Professor Diraja is a brilliant academician who has done a good job in the early days of MU.

MU was ranked among the top 10 in Asia & Pacific at the time.

Hmm, I don't think they're the the same, but let me ask my elders.

Ski
05-11-2005, 07:36 PM
During the Japanese occupation of Malaya, the then Johor Menteri Besar was one Ungku Aziz. History tells us that the YB Ungku obeyed the Japanese and earned the wrath of the then Sultan Ibrahim. After the war, the sultan refused to forgive Ungku Aziz

Logically its not possible, cos if he was the MB of Sultan Ibrahim this Ungku Aziz would be around 100 yeras old, no!
If not mistaken Dato Onn was his MB and they did not get along well as the Sultan was so pro British.

uchangeng
07-11-2005, 08:49 AM
So far as I know, the only one who had the courage to go again the Japs was Sultan Ibrahim. The rest, not sure what were their position.

The 4 northern states as history tells us were ceded to the Thai in 1943 as the Japs rewards to the Thai king for His service to their Imperial army during the opening day of the Malaya war! The Sultans in these 4 states were just being passed from the Brit to the Japs to the Thai.

It is funny that I read all this from a thesis from a S'pore U. Phd., have not seen anything done in our very own MU., may be there is, can someone point to that direction? Like to read something from our very own version. Has Prof. Khoo written anything on this subject, yet?

isarahim
07-11-2005, 06:31 PM
I think nobody actually dares - and probably for a good reason - to bring up this issue.

Many people are still demanding further apologies from the Japs. Someone might come up with the 'bright' idea to demand apology from the Thais as well....since they - by allowing the Japanese elite divisions to hide in Thailand and as a quid pro quo demanding Malayan territory - sided with the Japs and helped them to a relatively easy victory and the atrocities which followed.

The Japs would not have been successful if they had to rely on seabourne invasion of Malaya.

But...we already have one hot potato across the border...

GreenBug
07-11-2005, 06:44 PM
MU was ranked among the top 10 in Asia & Pacific at the time.But.... But.... If you pose this quote to the current VC, he would tell you those days were different, not so much competition, now got 2,000 universities, thats why we're at 169.... :eek: and we should be for the happier for it! :mad:

penangkia
07-11-2005, 07:15 PM
The Northern 4 states were ceded to Thailand in 1943 ? Now, this is interesting. Was all this official or just some back of the envelope stuff over some sake.. Lets see...Perlis, Kedah, Penang and Perak...or were Kelantan and Trengannu in the deal instead.

I think we should start a new thread on this. uchangeng or isarahim...can do that? some history that we were never told in school.

My family was from North. So my mum and dad were Thais for a couple of years?....Sawasdee Kap :p

orchipalar
07-11-2005, 07:39 PM
I think nobody actually dares - and probably for a good reason - to bring up this issue.

Many people are still demanding further apologies from the Japs. Someone might come up with the 'bright' idea to demand apology from the Thais as well....since they - by allowing the Japanese elite divisions to hide in Thailand and as a quid pro quo demanding Malayan territory - sided with the Japs and helped them to a relatively easy victory and the atrocities which followed.

The Japs would not have been successful if they had to rely on seabourne invasion of Malaya.

But...we already have one hot potato across the border...

Err...Saudara IsaRahim:)...ahem...Orchi for one...wouldn't mind to see...the Thais...owning up to some of that guilt or responsibility...

Err...the same goes to the many locals here...whom had 'collaborated' with the Japs Imperial Army...as their "running dogs" :mad: :rolleyes:

GreenBug
07-11-2005, 07:53 PM
Orchi... I fully agree with you especially after reading the novel "The War of the Running Dogs 1948-1960 by Noel Barber". There were so much treachery during the period including among neighbors and good friends. :mad: