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gnehkgnep
26-10-2005, 07:22 PM
For example......

We Selangorean pronounce cry as hau
Johorean pronounce as kau

Penangites pronounce bathing as chan ekk
Selangorean pronounce as chan chui

Some more plenty of words seems so different...... :confused: ......why such complexities.......local dialect influence or culture....... :D

penangkia
26-10-2005, 07:40 PM
Within one dialect, there could be dozens of sub-dialects. Try understanding Taiwanese hokkien ( minang hua as they call it) and you catch no balls...sometimes vomit blood trying to figure out what they want.
Fujian province population is about 40 million ( correct me if wrong) , every one speaks hokkien....different town different accent and sometimes with local words special to the town only.
Same with cantonese, hakka, etc.

bobkee
26-10-2005, 08:18 PM
For example......

We Selangorean pronounce cry as hau
Johorean pronounce as kau
K'ao is Teochew .. since one of the largest dialect groups among Chinese Johoreans are the Teochews, it doesn't surprise me that they dialect may have been "contaminated". Even then, it is arguable if Teochew can be considered a separate language or just another regional dialect of the Min Nan language of which the "normal" Hokkien that we hear is also a dialect of.

Interestingly, Hainanese is also considered a variant of Min Nan whereas Foochow (named after the dialect used by people around Fuzhou, the capital of Fujian province) is considered a variant of Min Dong. Ironic eh?

Resources

Min Nan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Min-nan)

Min Dong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Min_Dong)

Taiwanese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwanese_%28linguistics%29)

Penang Hokkien (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penang_Hokkien)

Written Teochew (http://www.omniglot.com/writing/teochew.htm)

Teochew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teochew_dialect)
Oh yeah .. just FYI, I'm not Hokkien but Teochew, although my mom is .. of the Leng Nga / Longyan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longyan) ancestry but is a Penang Hokkien speaker .. same place where Lin Dan (http://www.worldbadminton.net/Portal/desktopmodules/biography.asp?pnumber=50906) comes from ;)

bobkee
26-10-2005, 08:23 PM
Wanna get more confused?

Check this out :

Intro To Major Variations of Chinese & Related Dialects and Sub-Dialects (http://www.glossika.com/en/dict/)

pucman
26-10-2005, 08:40 PM
Wanna get more confused?

Check this out :

Intro To Major Variations of Chinese & Related Dialects and Sub-Dialects (http://www.glossika.com/en/dict/)


For those who want a deeper understanding of hokkien language and discussion, I found this url , go to :D

http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php?showtopic=6493

sinleong
30-10-2005, 12:11 AM
i noticed there are 2 distinct hokkien spoken - (1) north of taiping and (2) south towards singapore. the sarawakians hokkien is similar to (1) and those in the east coast similar to (2). correct me if im wrong.

chin_wan
30-10-2005, 08:50 AM
I am from Penang and I find that Penang Hokkien has a lot of Malay in it.

E.g.

1. Tuala
2. Sabun
3. Batu

fatslab
30-10-2005, 01:28 PM
Infact, Teochew Nangs are widely found in countries like Indonesia, Thailand and the Philippines. Nevertheless, bo chup le si ha mi nang, le tiok si nang!....:D

blackgammon
30-10-2005, 03:10 PM
remember kpc once asked, how to say 'sabun' in hokkien?

i say 'going to court' in hokkien as 'bit-cha-la' which is from BM 'bicara'.

Sarawak is divided into several divisions, even among the division, the dialect is spoken is quite a different way.
In Kuching, 'eat rice' is 'jiat pern', in Sibu, it is 'jiat pui' ....
One reason is Kuching's hokkien is mixed with teochew and hakka where foochow is more dominent in Sibu.

Sarawak's hokkien is more similar to northern penisular than southern.

in
31-10-2005, 09:40 AM
I'm biased..... but.... I personally feel Penang hokkien has more 'character'. Furthermore, it sounds nice and melodious, not no rough like southern Hokkien.

mykern
31-10-2005, 04:23 PM
sawasdee ... brader in..
I have friends from the north, south, east and here in KL ..
one thing all will (may) agree with me is that the north fellas are territorial, just like the kelantanese who speak their own lingo ...
But when any hokkien from any region meet .. they all speak england or melayu to each other !