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penangkia
26-10-2005, 01:52 PM
Is the term Keling or Kling which refers to Indians an offensive word to Indians?

They were some arguements in parliament about this word between LKS and Jerai MP, Badruddin.

Badruddin said that his usage of this word is not meant as an insult as it is a common term used in the North to describe an Indian.

As usual, MIC fellers were star gazing.

What is Kling anyway, how did this word came into being ?...Is it the little bells used by the Indian bicycle roti salesmen clicking on their bells or is it their priests with them bells? It is true that in the North, Kling is rather widely used and no offence taken...not that I know of anyway. Singaporeans too use it fairly openly.
In Penang, there is actually a Kling mosque ( Pitt Street, if I am not mistaken) for mostly Indian muslims , maybe that Kling have a different meaning??

But in Selangor and some other states, Indians seems to dislike the term.

Can any of our Indian friends throw some light on this. Is Kling a derogatory term or is it just a nick that some Indians don't like. :confused:

This China slit eye chink meant no offence but just curious. :D

pucman
26-10-2005, 02:01 PM
Is the term Keling or Kling which refers to Indians an offensive word to Indians?

This China slit eye chink meant no offence but just curious. :D

Don't call yourself slit eye and chink, those are derogatory.

I did read an article long time ago that it is based on a name of a place. Can't recall the details. So it is hardly derogatory unless it is spoken with an insulting tone.

JackRyan1975
26-10-2005, 02:21 PM
Even if 'keling' is not a derogatory word, I think the jokers in Parliament should use proper language i.e. "Kaum India" for Indians. It's so tiresome to read about words uttered by these handful of BN backbenchers. They're like a bunch of hooting lower secondary school kids shouting at each other using "Gila-Gila" language.

lord
26-10-2005, 03:33 PM
From what I gather, in the days of the Malacca Sultanate, when there were an influx of Chinese and Indian traders, the locals referred to the Indians as Keling as they had a leg piece which gave out kling, kling sound. If you are laughing at this juncture, you should not cos' this story seems to be the only one that forms any relation to us Indians being called Keling by some, so I gather. But of course, these days, the word is a definite 'no-no' if you are referring to an indian bloke. If you say it to a wrong Indian, you better pray you are in the midst of taikos to save your tiny a$$!!

If the right honourable MP, in all his wisdom and sound mind feels that it is STILL alrite to refer to us Indians as Keling, so be it! It only shows to the rest how shallow he is when Kaum India would have been sufficient. This is Malaysia 101 for you. But of course, we become 'saudara' and 'satu keluarga' during election lah!! Itu biasa saja, bruder.

And for the Chinese folks in here, could anyone of you please let us know how do you refer to Indian food or Indian rice in cantonese? ;)

trifecta
26-10-2005, 03:39 PM
Badruddin said that his usage of this word is not meant as an insult as it is a common term used in the North to describe an Indian.



So are the words nigga, coon, dune coon, towel heads etc. Being a common term dont make it rite. PS and i'm not indian btw

Pets=Friends
26-10-2005, 03:54 PM
from the wikipedia

Keling is a degrading slang for Indians in Malaysia. The word ‘Keling’ has been around for so many years that its origin is unknown. However, there is a theory that it started during the British colonial days when the country was known as Malaya.

Being the world’s biggest rubber supplier, so-called contract workers were brought in through British India Company to work in the rubber plantations of Malaya. In fact, the Indian workers were nothing more than slaves with bells shackled on their legs by the British estate managers. The bells produce the sound ‘ling-ling-ling’ when the Indian workers walked or moved about, this helped locate the workers as a farmer would strap a bell around his cow’s neck. Rural olden Malays refer Indians as ‘Ling’ and somehow it became ‘Keling’ later. Although a lot of the manual labour workforce is still filled by Indians today, the number of successful Indians is increasing as well.

JackRyan1975
26-10-2005, 04:03 PM
Is calling a Bengali "Bhai" (pronounced 'bayi') proper and respectful?

Is calling an Indian boy "Thamby" okay?

Just wish to be aware of sensitivities and be better informed than the Jerai MP.

lord
26-10-2005, 04:14 PM
Is calling a Bengali "Bhai" (pronounced 'bayi') proper and respectful?

Is calling an Indian boy "Thamby" okay?

Just wish to be aware of sensitivities and be better informed than the Jerai MP.

Bhai in punjabi means brother. And I don't think it should be pronounced as bayi. BUt I have come across 2 punjabis talking and each of them referring to the other guy bayi. I'm sure it means good as they were not quarelling at that moment. The manner it is said determines whether it is deragatory or not. Same goes for thamby.

My boss happens to be a punjabi and when I need his help, I call him bhai. The trick works!!

I believe the manner and the situation these words are used matters. When in east malaysia, an indian is always referred to as thamby, let him be young or old. BUt I don't take offence to thamby as much as I do to keling. As far as I can think, keling was always said at a time of tense or to belittle me and my race. Like once when I was called, Celaka punya keling!! Now, that is bad, bro.

HTH
26-10-2005, 04:29 PM
..
And for the Chinese folks in here, could anyone of you please let us know how do you refer to Indian food or Indian rice in cantonese? ;)

We (me and my wife) say "In Du Fan" (mandarin) meaning "Indian Rice" :)

gtl
26-10-2005, 04:32 PM
We (me and my wife) say "In Du Fan" (mandarin) meaning "Indian Rice" :)

lordy, we call it keling fan (cantonese).

kress
26-10-2005, 04:33 PM
not "yan do fan" meh?

lord
26-10-2005, 04:47 PM
lordy, we call it keling fan (cantonese).

Exactly what my colleagues, who in all honesty do not mean to be mean to me, refer to it as well.

What would be nice is that we teach our young ones to be more sensitive to matters like these. As far as I know, the word keling doesn't exist in my kids' dictionary. If they learn it in school or outside, I'm just gonna deny such a word really exist. Period.

If we can do that much, we would have done something in our lifetime worth living for. (cheh, I sound like some kind of politician, man)

bslee
26-10-2005, 04:50 PM
from the wikipedia

Keling is a degrading slang for Indians in Malaysia. The word ‘Keling’ has been around for so many years that its origin is unknown. However, there is a theory that it started during the British colonial days when the country was known as Malaya.


Yes folks! we're in modern times now and its uncouth and unkind to utter ANY form of terms that may seem degratory or may insult our fellow citizens.
I'm sure our formal education and moral beliefs don't encourage the use of such terms.
Ironically, we seem to hear the term "kwai loh" all too often!.. :p

gtl
26-10-2005, 04:50 PM
If we can do that much, we would have done something in our lifetime worth living for.

bhai sahib, i agree with you. wud make a change.

penangkia
26-10-2005, 04:53 PM
We (me and my wife) say "In Du Fan" (mandarin) meaning "Indian Rice" :)

Hey fren, Mr lord asked how we say it in Cantonese not Mandarin. The correct description of Indian rice in cantonese is Yen toh fun and this is as said in Hong Kong and Canton where cantonese is the dialect.

But lets be honest...lord caught us there. In bolehland, cantonese say keling fun ( rice) keling choy (food) :o

No intention to insult or degrade but the terms got stuck for so long that that it seems like a right and normal thingy, taken for granted ....children are saying it without knowing anything about "keling" , My Hong Kong friend had to ask me what the hell I meant before I realise they havn'nt heard of the word keling.

Hokkiens say it a little longer...Keling Nga pui ( Indian rice)

How to get people to change this err ??? :confused: Now, even parliament is using it...well lets hope LKS's fuss will bring some awareness that this word is NOT SO NICE.

VeeJay
26-10-2005, 04:55 PM
from the wikipedia

Keling is a degrading slang for Indians in Malaysia. The word ‘Keling’ has been around for so many years that its origin is unknown. However, there is a theory that it started during the British colonial days when the country was known as Malaya.

Being the world’s biggest rubber supplier, so-called contract workers were brought in through British India Company to work in the rubber plantations of Malaya. In fact, the Indian workers were nothing more than slaves with bells shackled on their legs by the British estate managers. The bells produce the sound ‘ling-ling-ling’ when the Indian workers walked or moved about, this helped locate the workers as a farmer would strap a bell around his cow’s neck. Rural olden Malays refer Indians as ‘Ling’ and somehow it became ‘Keling’ later. Although a lot of the manual labour workforce is still filled by Indians today, the number of successful Indians is increasing as well.

Interesting fictional facts! :rolleyes: No no...I don’t mean you...but wikipedia...probably they got the story from the streets! Like many, Malaysians are naive of our own history.

I dont have my notes with me to write accurate data, but I’m reposting what I have written in another forum many years ago…


Only one thing I would like to raise is that, although there is alot
of sankrit root word in Malay, they are Tamilized Sanskrit word, and
there aint anything wrong in calling the Tamil was the first Kelings
here ;-))

As I explain long ago, Keling is called due to people from Kalingga,
where Tamil in Chera nadu (Kerala) was undergoing Sanskrization of
Tamil becoming what is called Malayalam today.

Although Malayalam rooted from Tamil, since they are Tamil people,
but
got injected with Sanskrit due to Brahminazation ;-))

So its not surprising to see Malay word with root Sanskrit word, but
they were from Tamil sanskritation word. One good example to back my
statement, without going into detail is the word Perahu (Ta:Padagu)
is
a pure Tamil word, that Tamil word got absorbed into Malay due to
Tamil or rather Cheranadu seafearers. If one look closely at the
many
Batu Bersurats, you will find 'Sanskritized Tamil Malay' is written
either in Brahmi script or Jawi / Kawi script.

I will post some of it later, cheerio

Ski
26-10-2005, 05:06 PM
Lets be honest. Most of are guility of using slurs and derogatory words when we refer and want to belittle any particular race, words like Keling Tau Si, Keling Kwai, Keling Kia, China Kwai, Nattans, and so forth. I think its about time we all stop swearing abuses with others, especially in front of our children and refer to us by our race and respect one another as true Malaysian should.

orchipalar
26-10-2005, 05:07 PM
Err...when Orchi heard little ones yelling "aneh neh" to one of our indian neighbours...guess what?...Orchi gave em the tight slap on the butts...:o

It's either "Ah Neh" or "Ah Yah" or "uncle"...n then it's "Ah Chee" or "Ah Mah" or "untie"...no other ways about it... :)

In one of the early Mandarin lessons being taught in kindies..."wor shze hua ren...ni shze ma lai ren...thar zhe in do ren...wor men tou shze yi jia ren..."...ONE BIG n happy family :)

Err..."Kerling" is located north of Kuala Kubu Bharu...but "keling" is a NO NO! :)

lord
26-10-2005, 05:11 PM
Interesting, Veejay. You might, just might have thrown some light to how this word came about.

On the other hand, the word may become deragatory when used in the wrong context. Ok, how come a 8year old uses it to vent his anger at another indian kid? Same goes to the word pariah. How does he/she know that if you say it at a certain tone during a certain event, it can relate to your disheartedness towards the other party? FROM HOME!! FROM PARENTS WHO HAVE USED IT IN FRONT OF THEM! Monkey see, monkey do. And if any of you parents are guilty of this, yes, you are a monkey. And if it was in front of your kids, yes, they are monkeys too!! :cool:

orchipalar
26-10-2005, 05:20 PM
Err...Orchi believes...there could be still many occasions where the word "keling" is formally being used in various parts of malaysia...:o

1. Tanjung Keling Melaka
2. Masjid Kapitan Keling Penang(Kapitan Keling - Cauder Mohudeen)
3. Jalan Kapitan Keling Penang
4. Kampung Keling Melaka

http://www.orientalarchitecture.com/melaka/KAMPONGKELING.htm
http://www.orientalarchitecture.com/georgetown/MASJIDKELING.htm

VeeJay
26-10-2005, 05:28 PM
The word keling itself there is nothing derogatory about it…but it’s the way its being used. Keling (Kallinga > Kaling > keling) or Kalingga is a Kingdom’s name that should any Indian be proud off…around 7th century central java was ruled by Kingdom of Kalingga. Thus the word keling is also used in Indonesia.

As mentioned using the word in right term is okay…but when people mention phrase like…”engkau ni macam kelinglah” “ kenapa hang buat kerja keling tu”….comprehend? that’s when everything breaks loose 

Ski
26-10-2005, 05:34 PM
There is a Kampong Keling in Medan, been there sometime ago and bought some sarongs ;) Densley populated with Indians and Chinese.

Pets=Friends
26-10-2005, 06:34 PM
Since we're at this (eradicating deragatory terms), would appreciate if the mass public could stop refering chinese girls/ladies as AH MOI.

Not sure about others but i don't like it. Sorry to hijack this thread.

gnehkgnep
26-10-2005, 07:17 PM
Since we're at this (eradicating deragatory terms), would appreciate if the mass public could stop refering chinese girls/ladies as AH MOI.

Not sure about others but i don't like it. Sorry to hijack this thread.

So what shud we call......leng lui or miss?..........pls educate a bunch of banana eating monkeys........ :D .........or siu ceh.......?

fedup
26-10-2005, 07:18 PM
it's not an offensive word if sami value can accept it without opening his mouth, where is mic? anyway indian muslim are Malays no more indian :p

lord
26-10-2005, 07:48 PM
it's not an offensive word if sami value can accept it without opening his mouth, where is mic? anyway indian muslim are Malays no more indian :p

You got me first, fedup. I was just about to ask the same thing.

He won't do jack, man, cos' if he does, it would be against the BN creed and might be put in cold storage for 3 months like that Sothinathan fellow.

GreenBug
26-10-2005, 08:59 PM
When I first came to Brunei, everyone was calling the Indians here "Keling" and used words like Kedai Keling etc.... Coming from the Klang Valley, I thought these people were being rude but I was surprised when I found out that the local Indians seem unperturbed by the word. Still, I avoid using the word 'Keling' when I call the Indians, even my own employees, simply because it has been inculcated into me since young that the word is deragotory...

What about the word 'Anay'? I notice some people call the Indian by this term? What does it mean. I am more comfortable with 'Thambi' :D

And "Indian Rice" is called Banana Leaf Rice amongst my friends.... "hey! wanna do banana leaf tonight?" was usually how we use the term.... :D "they got damn good mango lassi lah.." :D

GreenBug
26-10-2005, 09:02 PM
it's not an offensive word if sami value can accept it without opening his mouth, where is mic? anyway indian muslim are Malays no more indian :pIMHO Indian Muslims are Indians who have peluk ugama Islam and they should still be considered Indians by race. They are still Indians by race and Muslim by religion. MIC is a Malaysian Indian Congress so as an Indian, an Indian Muslim can participate, no? :confused:

Dr. J George
26-10-2005, 09:12 PM
For the record - let me confirm that there are Indian Muslims in the MIC! :)

Many of them very very supportive and generous too, who have contributed towards various needs. ;)

VeeJay
26-10-2005, 09:46 PM
There is a Kampong Keling in Medan, been there sometime ago and bought some sarongs ;) Densley populated with Indians and Chinese.

There are more...'sanggul keling' 'gendang keling', ikan keling...and many more, if you checked indonesian dictonary, you will find them

wAISEKMAo
26-10-2005, 10:11 PM
Is the term Keling or Kling which refers to Indians an offensive word to Indians?


Frankly speaking..dunno offensive or not...but in hockkien..we say "keling kia keling kia, keling poh, keling poh, keling peng hor chia". hehehhe..

lord
27-10-2005, 10:19 AM
'Anay' means elder/older brother and is definitely not deragatory in whatever situation it is mentioned. I myself use this term in indian restaurants when asking for something and the service after that is exceptional in most cases.

Back to the case of the parliament jester, wonder if he has the balls/kacangs/the jingles to use this term back in his Kedah constituency during his election campaign. Since it is a norm for him, why not use it when delivering his speeches.

penangkia
27-10-2005, 10:37 AM
In Penang, quite a few Indians have taken up hokkien. Somehow, they casually refer to themselves as "keling nga" without a second thought when carrying out a conversation with the local Chinese. You can hear this in the market being used openly without a tinge of intended menace and non taken.

There is this particular "joint venture". The hokkiens make the cakes, popiah,laksa etc,... Indian men only will hawker it for a commision...and it's called "Keling Nga Kueh. Ask any Penang fellow...many will swear that this "keling nga kueh" laksa ( made by the hokkiens) was and still is still the best. :p

I think the sensitivities are fully diluted if no one is using it as an insult or a form of degrading.

KH EE
27-10-2005, 10:52 AM
Is calling a Bengali "Bhai" (pronounced 'bayi') proper and respectful?

1. during the 1st parliament session after the last general election when karpal singh stood up to say that some MP's did not raise their hands when taking the oath, a lot of BN MP's shouted "duduk BAYI!"

2. also during one of those budget debates, BN MP's were fond of calling Karpal BAYI!. didn't see/hear opposition MP's calling others bayi or keling...

since "our" parliamentarians ("lawmakers!!!???") are "setting" these examples, what do you think others will do??? :mad: :rolleyes:

dragonfly
27-10-2005, 11:56 AM
Just imagine if it's the other way around.....ie, an Indian MP had used word/phrases which are known to be derogatory or offensive to the Malay race in parliament. Or for the matter an offensive word uttered as tit for tat against the Malays in the heat of the argument. I won't be surprised if the Indian parliamentarian suspended for the rest of his term and calls by 'kris weilding youths' to charge him under the seditious act. ........ even if he had apologised for his outbursts!

Indians has become so insignificant in this country that anyone can insult them any which way they want!!

isarahim
27-10-2005, 12:15 PM
Unfortunately all that can be discussed from the parliament are second and third hand information; filtered, decontextualised and biased.

The parliament today doesn't have more significance than a sitcom. The 40 minutes drive from Jalan Parliament to the government offices in Putrajaya tells it all. It probably has even less importance to the country than nearby Lake Club.

Dr. J George
27-10-2005, 12:31 PM
Dragonfly and Saudara Isarahim make a sad but certainly true statement!

Today "immature and shooting star politicians" or 'political fruits' have fallen too far from the trees planted by Malaysia's founding fathers! :rolleyes:

But history and recent political upheavals around the world has shown repeatedly - such distasteful and rascist acts/behavior sooner or later, brings forth an adequate response - and - at that time - it may be too late!

We must be rational, fair and sensitive! :) :(

tupai
27-10-2005, 01:22 PM
Dragonfly and Saudara Isarahim make a sad but certainly true statement!

Today "immature and shooting star politicians" or 'political fruits' have fallen too far from the trees planted by Malaysia's founding fathers! :rolleyes:

But history and recent political upheavals around the world has shown repeatedly - such distasteful and rascist acts/behavior sooner or later, brings forth an adequate response - and - at that time - it may be too late!

We must be rational, fair and sensitive! :) :(

But, but, but, these clowns are the reflections of the majority 'us' who put them there in the first place!

Yang Amat BODOH lato tupai

idolfan
27-10-2005, 01:37 PM
!

Indians has become so insignificant in this country that anyone can insult them any which way they want!!



How did such a situation come about ?

penangkia
27-10-2005, 04:00 PM
How did such a situation come about ?


Ask Samy. He's supposed to represent and champion Indian interests and rights.. :rolleyes:

Ski
27-10-2005, 04:08 PM
Indians has become so insignificant

Are you colour blind or what!!! :D

Joe Gomez
27-10-2005, 08:59 PM
But, but, but, these clowns are the reflections of the majority 'us' who put them there in the first place!
Yang Amat BODOH lato tupaiCant agree more.
However, it is also true that each race in Malaysia has some derogatory term to refer to the other race. When you play the game by racial rules u get racial s**t like what spewed from the YBaboon Amiruddin's rear end i.e his speaking end. Malaysians wanted a racial game and got it.
So tupai, we got a mirror image of us in Parliament ??? OH YES.

uchangeng
27-10-2005, 09:58 PM
May be we should go check out what the "Kamus Dewan Bahasa and Pustaka" says about the word. Then come back up to this thread.

The MP said people from the North called them 'Kling Botol'. No, no, it is worng, normally they are called "Hindu botoi" in Kedah, but this is a racist slur as we know it!

Luckily the YB retracted his word, if not........perang dunia lah......

wAISEKMAo
27-10-2005, 11:49 PM
For the record - let me confirm that there are Indian Muslims in the MIC! :)

Many of them very very supportive and generous too, who have contributed towards various needs. ;)

Very interesting. Can Indian Muslims have dwi-partiad member? Umno and MIC? Or can Chinese muslims have umno and ong ka ting party?

Maybe a person with indian and chinese ancestry but muslim can join all three party.

gnehkgnep
28-10-2005, 08:51 AM
Very interesting. Can Indian Muslims have dwi-partiad member? Umno and MIC? Or can Chinese muslims have umno and ong ka ting party?

Maybe a person with indian and chinese ancestry but muslim can join all three party.

Or mayb we shud come up with a Parti Muhibah Malaysia.........
1. President - Ali Baba
2. President - AhKau Baba
3. President - Arasu Baba

Can ar?? :D .....3 presidents......then if don't agree on something....just 1 2 zom.......2 against 1........hahahaha :p :D

Mason
28-10-2005, 03:25 PM
[QUOTE=wAISEKMAo]Very interesting. Can Indian Muslims have dwi-partiad member? Umno and MIC? Or can Chinese muslims have umno and ong ka ting party?

If u're chindian muslim then can be MCA,MIC.UMNO member ... malaysian spirit.

Just for info: the malays here were once Hindu (Kadaram, Kedah; Parameswaran who converted to Islam; as claimed during the spread of Islam in this region.) so its no suprise to have Malay words originate from Tamil words and Indonesian. There is historically no reference about the Malays as Islam or anything known as Bahasa Melayu. What exist is Bahasa Indonesia.

In fact, there was a thread in this forum that explains more. If anyone could identify would be informative. Maybe isarahim could help.

Ski
28-10-2005, 03:42 PM
Looks like we have open a tin of worms..I think we have discussed this issue of Indian Mulsims in depth, do we need another history lesson?

penangkia
28-10-2005, 04:00 PM
What will happen, I wonder, if a white senator in the US had used the word "nigger" in a formal meeting or gathering ....with national TV, lights and cameras on.

GreenBug
28-10-2005, 04:05 PM
One example.... a rising-star politician in New South Wales (Australia), destined to be the next Premier when the present one retires in 2006, got his political career all destroyed by calling the present Premier's wife, who coincidentally is a Malaysian lady, "mail order bride". If you use 'nigger' in the US congress? You would be lynched and fed to the giant catfishes in the Mississippi river......


Down by the lazy river......everybody c'mon down
- Osmond Brothers

JackRyan1975
28-10-2005, 04:06 PM
What will happen, I wonder, if a white senator in the US had used the word "nigger" in a formal meeting or gathering ....with national TV, lights and cameras on.

That white senator would apologise, express deep regret and resign without compulsion.

uchangeng
28-10-2005, 06:25 PM
i tot indian muslim is called "mamak" and they join KIMMA, wrong again?

fedup
28-10-2005, 09:47 PM
This is M'sia Boleh. it's alright if a malay MP decides to insult any body & every body. let all the indians line up infront of semi value & tell him to protect them :p

penangkia
31-10-2005, 10:32 PM
Anybody going to samy's open house? : :p

Wonder if the Indian name calling MP will be banned from samy's house. :D Actually, if samy has any ballz, he should use the occasion to invite the monkey to his house and ask him to make a public apology. ;)

mlm
01-11-2005, 12:27 AM
Indians has become so insignificant in this country that anyone can insult them any which way they want!!

Sometimes they insult themselves. No joke. I have a girlfriend who hates to be addressed as 'Indian'. She reminds me that she is a 'Christian'. So howzat!
But, only a minority. Most are proud of their race. I guess.

gtl
02-11-2005, 08:51 AM
Anybody going to samy's open house? : :p



Not many people wud want to go to his house whereby his wife is like an old toilet while he was born thru a toilet. stupid man...........

uchangeng
02-11-2005, 09:03 AM
Samy and Subra had an open house for all BN politicians yesterday, PM and DPM both attended. How is that?

These two men don't even see eye to eye and Sam is openly campaigning to oust Subra from his Deputy post.

MIC tolerance for polical hipocracy is quite astonishing, really!

Years ago, Rafidah openly refused to shake the hand of her duputy who ousted her in the Wanita Wing's election, citing she was no hipo.... that is what I call gentleman, not playing around the cave!

mon
02-11-2005, 09:05 AM
Samy and Subra had an open house for all BN politicians yesterday, PM and DPM both attended. How is that?

These two men don't even see eye to eye and Sam is openly campaigning to oust Subra from his Deputy post.

MIC tolerance for polical hipocracy is quite astonishing, really!

Years ago, Rafidah openly refused to shake the hand of her duputy who ousted her in the Wanita Wing's election, citing she was no hipo.... that is what I call gentleman, not playing around the cave!

Half hippo? :o ...sorry! wrong thread!

saml
02-11-2005, 12:09 PM
Last week I was attending my son's nursery graduation ceremony and the students had a presentation whereby they had to do an indian dance and they were all dressed in indian dance costumes. Some kid behind me who was with her parents screamed 'yan deh neh' dancing! I was too embarassed to look behind. I mean it is a reflection of how parents teach or talk in front of their children. I don't blame the child but the parents. At the ceremony there were chinese kids dressed up in indian, thai, malay and what have you and vice versa and it was all in good fun and they simply did not feel out of place or were shy about what they were wearing. I had many good laughs at that ceremony and I tell my wife that when people grow up, it is the politicians and people who have vested interests who create disharmony amongst races by putting down other people's beliefs and religious practices. It is really sad that our children are brainwashed to be chauvinists and racists .

Ski
02-11-2005, 05:33 PM
it is the politicians and people who have vested interests who create disharmony amongst races by putting down other people's beliefs and religious practices. It is really sad that our children are brainwashed to be chauvinists and racists .


If anyone denies this, he is a bl...y hypocrite.

uchangeng
02-11-2005, 06:06 PM
If the YB is charged and found guilty as charge, what would be the penalty? will he lose his job, go to jail and fine a miilion?

I think he should. We can not have racist in our parliament, can we?

GreenBug
02-11-2005, 06:13 PM
Watch the video clip on malaysiakini.com and you will realise that it was not just the MP for Jerai but MP for Kinabatangan and another unidentified MP all in the same boat. Imagine, the Kinabatangan MP asking the rest of us "kalau tak suka, keluar!".... what a joke! 'F-him!' :mad:

Ski
02-11-2005, 06:36 PM
We can not have racist in our parliament, can we?


We have racists in schools, offices, shops, homes, parks, interview panels, recuritment depts etc etc and also in parliament, they come in all shapes and colours. Most of us have got used to it and unperturbed with these low down racists.

blues
02-11-2005, 07:04 PM
We have racists in schools, offices, shops, homes, parks, interview panels, recuritment depts etc etc and also in parliament, they come in all shapes and colours. Most of us have got used to it and unperturbed with these low down racists.

....etc etc n some forumers usj.com.......???

uchangeng
03-11-2005, 11:27 AM
We have seen recist politicians rose up and put away after their bigotory inclination was exposed. One ex-Menteri Besar who said it was a mistake for the coalition to invite MCA to the government? Now we are waiting to see what will happen to the other one whose father came from somewhere Indonesia and had once shouted in public he was willing to bath in blood of another race to defend the privilleged right of his people.

By far, the worst racist is not confine to one race, of course they tend to concentrate in great number in the one privilleged people party. In fact many rose to position on their known racist views and their "burning desire" to defend the special right of the privillge race. If not, they will not have a job!

The fact that BN is made up a dozen political parties that representing each race of people here and rules this land by consensus, speaks volume of our nation's fragile race relation.

We are still very communal, not very far ahead yet from our brethrens in the Africans bush! The African tribes kill each other mercilessly because the other guys are from the other tribe although they all look the same to someone from outside of the bush!

Now, we talk about WAWASAN 2020!

saml
03-11-2005, 02:26 PM
They only dare to bully the weak. See a westerner and even if ****e comes out it is treated as gold.

uchangeng
03-11-2005, 07:55 PM
There is a mosque somewhere that is named Masjid Kapitan Keling.

Does this mean the word "keling" is an acceptable term for the Indian Muslim community?

How about "mamak"? In one of P. Ramli's movie, "Ibu Mertua Ku", there was a "Mamak" character. Is Mamak also a racist slur?

tupai
03-11-2005, 11:00 PM
I'd suppose that this hoolabaloo is a sure sign of political correctness in the 21st century world.

Keling where it was once accepted is now deemed to be an insult. Maybe the time will come when places (even mosque) will have a name change.

In usa, 'negro' is now classified in the same 'insult' as 'nigger/wog etc'. it is politically correct to categorise a black as african-american. Heck! even Darkie toothpaste changed its branding to 'darlie' just so the parent company is seen in 'better light'. (is the canto word "hark yarn nga ko" still applies?)

Is it possible that keling be changed to 'indian-malaysian'? and maybe later 'ah pek' or 'china' be 'chinese-malaysian'? :confused:

I look forward to be just a true& proud 'Malaysian' but I am also dead sure it won't happen in this life time... :(

yang amat blur sotong lato tupai :confused:

saml
04-11-2005, 09:03 AM
If people are not so troubled by their own inferiority complexes and trying their very best not to be so affected by what others say of them, then this world would be a better place. If one gives one must be able to take. One cannot call another a keling and pull out a sword when the keling calls him china pek or vice versa.I always maintain that people have the right to be obnoxious but they must be prepared to deal with obnoxious people who may be more obnoxious than them.